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Greenthumb
03-13-2011, 09:44 PM
After purchasing this 84' 200x for 300.00 and just letting it sit for a few months too long I found my brother in my barn dismantelling his mint 81' ATC200 with intentions of using the engine on my project trike. Well knowing that there was no turning back now I proceeded to help him take his trike apart. He sold his old trike body parts on ebay and that paid for the new 200x ones. The original 200x engine had been taken apart by the previous owner and never reassembled so it wasnt like my project was going anywhere. We had the entire trike stripped of everything but the rear swingarm in about an hour. The swingarm pivot pin(bolt) wont come out so we opted to leave it in. That made it really difficult to paint the swingarm and frame that were spraypainted the wrong red and ugly white scheme. We sanded the frame and repainted it the correct colors.
The paint dried and a week later we got enough motivation to try and mount the engine. We used the stock 200x motor mounts with hardly a problem. By using the carb intake manifold from the 200x the x carb worked no problem. The airbox will mount the same way as the stock would fit. We used the entire electronics harness from the donor trike and made some minor modifications to get the new light to connect. Just match up the wire colors and your halfway there. We purchased new moose handlebars and mounted them. The gas tank that came with the 200x was in pretty good shape so my brother is pretty skilled at restoring them so he made it look brand new again, luckily there was little rust in the tank.
The rear brake was modified to use the old chrome foot brake from the donor trike to activate the brake. The 200x motors have the foot brake mounted to the engine but the old 200's dont. We welded a bar to the 200x foot pegs to act as a pivot and attached a linkage to the foot pedal and master cylinder.
New rear and front axle bearings made it roll straight again but that was after we found it was wobbling around the shop. In the process of doing that we found the hubs were from a 400ex and were sloppy on the 200x axle thus ruining the axle and hubs. Use the proper hubs please! New axle, new hubs, new tires and 8 x 8 stock rims from my trike since I got new 10 x 10's from ITP.
DG Power 4 exhaust and the 200x carb with a 118 main jet works well with the 200x head and new pipe. I use a 15 main jet in my stock 200x with a Krome Power 4 from DG.
To bottom it off we ordered new rear 18" maxis razr mx tires that still have to be mounted.
To top it off we ordered new plastics all around from Maier Plastics for about 300.00 total. You need the mounts from the old ones! New decals from ATC Heaven made it pretty.

Mistake 1: Sprocket ratio, get it right or your ride won't be. The stock sprocket ratio on the 81' 200 is 11/47. Don't go bigger in the front unless you have to and if you do just go 1 tooth. The rear should not change more than two or three either from stock. Any more and your performance could suffer greatly. I made the mistake of using the stock 200x rear sprocket with a 40 tooth front just to get it to fit at first. This has proved to be a waste of money. If you use a normal 200 atc as the donor engine you need to use a larger rear like the stock size. Something like a 45 tooth would work best on the 200x seeing as it has smaller tires.

Mistake 2: Put the 200x head on the donor 200 bottom, I didn't at first and took the entire trike apart to bench the engine so that I could. While your at it and have the head off go one step further and remove the piston jug with the piston still inside and use that also on the 200 donor bottom. It's very easy and takes only a couple minutes. There are a couple pics here of me doing it. The 200x piston is higher compression and not using it if you have the parts would just be stupid and a loss of power you will regret not having.

MORE UPGRADES YOU CAN DO:
Use a 185s not 185 bottom end with 200x jug and head, a xr 200 cam and springs, and an xr200 carb even though you need to heat up the 200x airbox boot to fit it. Bikerchick on Ebay sells a high performance cam with .39 valve lift that requires new springs, and maybe a little grinding on the head (I might be wrong). The cam is only like 55-60 dollars and would be well worth it if you have your engine benched anyway.

DONT FORGET A FULL GASKET SET!

Yamaha_Rules69
03-13-2011, 09:54 PM
Are you going to do a step by step swap, with pictures? I know there has been a couple done befor, but that would still be fun to see. I always like to see what people come up with for the rear brake set-up, since the 200x used the brake lever on the right side engine case. I have 3 auto X's, and they are really great, especially in snow compared to the 200x manual.

Vealmonkey
03-13-2011, 10:02 PM
Yes, the rear brake pedal is probably about the only big thing on the whole trike. You can use the 200x wiring harness and everything is pretty much a plug in. I have a right side 200x footpeg set up for the rear brake reservoir somewhere down on the parts shelves.

hillbilly 200x
03-13-2011, 10:11 PM
the auto x's are alot of fun, who needs brakes?

jb2wheels
03-13-2011, 10:27 PM
I used a 350x pedal on my Loncin powered 200x. The 350x pedal pivots on the 200x peg mount like it was made for it. Might need to be bent for auto-clutch case clearance but works great with the Loncin.

leviblue
03-14-2011, 03:41 AM
I'm gonna be eyeing your build so pics please. This has to be the most popular conversion and well worth it as I"ve been told. I'm gathering the last few parts for my project auto X. So it's allways good to see what another builder is doing on the same project. Good luck with your build

hoosierlogger
03-14-2011, 05:08 AM
When I did mine, I drilled the mounting hole on the 200S brake pedal to 3/4" and ground some of it off so that it would fit on the bottom foot peg mount. Then I made a link out of a 1/4" bolt to connect it to the master cylinder linkage. I cut a little length out of the lever and bent it with a torch so it would be easier to find with my foot.

atc350xer
03-14-2011, 12:33 PM
Nice work... I'll be starting my auto-x project soon(still need a donor motor). I plan on using a 350x brake pedal.

Taiser
03-14-2011, 04:42 PM
Interested in this too! Just got a 200x and still debating on either a motor rebuild with the 200x or a auto swap. From what I hear the auto x is just as fun and a lot more comfortable to drive!

tri again
03-14-2011, 04:50 PM
I think the big deal is the 200x kickstart gears.

Depending on the year they are either not worth or impossible
to fix correctly and 200 auto engines are everywhere and apparently
and easy swap.

The auto x was my first full suspension trike and the auto clutch
is much more useful around the farm, tons of fun at the dunes
and trails too.

dc8fixer
03-15-2011, 02:22 PM
excellent post. I just got done with mine today. What about the light wiring? Is yellow to yellow and the extra green wire to ground? Just want to make sure.(see photo)

http://i55.tinypic.com/w8tk04.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/11v4hme.jpg

1984 honda 200s
03-15-2011, 10:33 PM
man o man if i could find a 200x for parts id make an auto x out of it too, i got a 200m, 200e and a 200s bottom end for parts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nicker71
03-17-2011, 10:17 PM
I just finished my auto x conversion. I wanted to try out the auto motor to see if I liked it more than the x engine. I have custom front forks and 25 inch tires all the way around. I'll post some pics soon

gen. X'er
03-19-2011, 02:41 PM
I have wanted to build an auto x for my wife, I was thinking of putting a 200m motor so she would have electric start. has anyone tryed this? will it fit in the frame? or is the starter in the way?

Taiser
03-19-2011, 04:49 PM
Guys have put the "m" in, but apparently you have to either notch the front frame, or bash it in to get the starter to fit, but it has been done!

matt86200x
03-19-2011, 05:32 PM
Guys have put the "m" in, but apparently you have to either notch the front frame, or bash it in to get the starter to fit, but it has been done!

Just heat it up with a torch then take a pipe that is around the same diameter as the starter and smack the pipe with some force. Works Great!!

gen. X'er
03-28-2011, 07:23 PM
just pick up my builder bikes i got 2 complete bikes both with bad motors for $200 one has an exstended swig arm and a wide axle. now i need to find my auto elec. start motor and the building will start.

kormos_93
10-22-2013, 12:02 AM
When I made my auto x (engine from an '82 200) I just notched the frame to get the carb to fit & didn't use the engine bracket on the head, rather than swapping the top end over from the x, works great.

Afrothunderkat
10-22-2013, 01:14 AM
Craigslist is plagued with these.

An auto x is like an auto mustang.....they're just not the same without a manual.

riverrat
01-04-2014, 04:25 PM
Trying to make an autox here. I took a 185 motor and put it in the frame put the wiring is not plug and play. The 185 has 3 wires coming from the stator and the 200 auto that was in there has 2. I am assuming a 200x motor has 2 also. Do I need to swap stators? Or is there a way?

DasUberKraut
01-04-2014, 05:40 PM
Here's my 85 Auto-X. 82 ATC200 motor. I run a 200X carb with pod filter. +4 swinger & 2" hub extensions with Bear Claws.
I have a second motor that's getting tore down for a rebuild with all the performance goodies. Also working on a custom DG aluminum exhaust. I did buy a 14 tooth front sprocket because first gear is pointless in the snow and mud. Hoping to get a little more out of the low gears. Haven't installed it yet though. Photo taken yesterday during a -20 degree ride.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w33/Duggalo/IMG_20140103_150701_360_zpsubmkntdc.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/Duggalo/media/IMG_20140103_150701_360_zpsubmkntdc.jpg.html)

Here's my brake pedal setup. Don't know the story on it. I bought the machine this way. If anyone can identify it. That would be awesome. I know Veal commented on it once but I don't think he knew either.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w33/Duggalo/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140104_152450_690_zpsoy49ldj8.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/Duggalo/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140104_152450_690_zpsoy49ldj8.jpg.html)

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w33/Duggalo/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140104_151303_216_zps1ppisu1g.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/Duggalo/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140104_151303_216_zps1ppisu1g.jpg.html)

rg97
01-04-2014, 06:03 PM
Bikerchick on Ebay sells a high performance cam with .39 valve lift that requires new springs, and maybe a little grinding on the head (I might be wrong). The cam is only like 55-60 dollars and would be well worth it if you have your engine benched anyway.
THIS is the only thing that i DO NOT recommend. These cams are in NO WAY high performance. They have the very close to same lift (the lift on the "high performance" one is LOWER), and the duration is LOWER than stock, meaning that you will LOSE performance! Shortline and I both bought one and returned them ASAP after measuring and comparing to stock. Don't waste your money! I have told the seller bikerchicks about the problems and they admitted the problem but brushed me off other than charging me an extra 25% of the original cost to restock the part that I returned. Like i said, KEEP YOU MONEY AND SKIP THIS CRAP

Taiser
01-04-2014, 06:56 PM
I got mine up and running as well... :) but had some serious problems, mostly due to the previous owner being a retard... It was a real basket case when I got it...



http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t533/taiser350/ATC/DSC01470_zps3ecf84b5.jpg (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/taiser350/media/ATC/DSC01470_zps3ecf84b5.jpg.html)

The old engine, has a cracked case on the other side, probably tossed a chain. I'll probably tear it apart and fix it... someday...




http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t533/taiser350/ATC/DSC01472_zps6e5aae22.jpg (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/taiser350/media/ATC/DSC01472_zps6e5aae22.jpg.html)

Engine fit in with no issue. I got the engine off e-bay. It's from a 1982 200. Took a chance but the seller had a good rep and it was great, has zero noise and runs like a top. If you have issues with the carb fitting in, just use the manifold off of the 200x and it will fit fine in the frame.




http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t533/taiser350/ATC/DSC01469_zps5e78b5b1.jpg (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/taiser350/media/ATC/DSC01469_zps5e78b5b1.jpg.html)

Tank is in really good shape, needs some new paint but has no rust in or out. That white wire dangling is the only part that I could not fit in the stock harness. I ran that temporarily to get it going...



http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t533/taiser350/ATC/DSC01468_zps36a310b6.jpg (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/taiser350/media/ATC/DSC01468_zps36a310b6.jpg.html)

Better shot of the left side of the engine. I ordered new sprockets and a chain which are now installed.



http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t533/taiser350/ATC/DSC01467_zps99e8737d.jpg (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/taiser350/media/ATC/DSC01467_zps99e8737d.jpg.html)

HUGE nightmare with this. First it was the wrong axle, then the afore-mentioned previous owner (AKA Retard) WELDED a humongous plate to the swingarm to attach a hitch!!!! :crazy: I replaced the swingarm and axle but getting the old swingarm bolt out was a nightmare. I finally had to cut it out with a sawzall. Good thing my replacement swing came with a bolt, they are getting hard to find!

So right now it's up and running, it's a blast in the snow, way better than my Big Red, probably because of the skinny front tire and kick-ass rears. It's running lean so I have a carb kit on order, and also ordered a new grab bar for the rear. I'm hoping next summer to tear it apart and get it completely rebuilt. It is WAY more fun in my trails out here than a clutch bike, but if it wasn't all bush and more open the clutch version would be more fun!

DasUberKraut
01-04-2014, 07:13 PM
Has anyone found a front sprocket cover that works? Short of cutting the ATC200 cover to fit the 200X frame. I was thinking of trying an XR200 cover. I gotta wait til I can afford to gamble $30 on the buy though.