Never before seen Honda ATC's (proto-types)

[Mickey Dunlap]

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[blue27]

Post them up Mickey!!!!

[BiGDawG]

damn.. i'm tall and it looks like i'd have to damn near stand up to ride it lol

[lazybiker79]

That is sweet

[ironchop]

I saw the thread title and thought ....ehhh

then I saw Mickey Dunlap`s name....and clicked as fast as I could.

More Mickey, More.....please

[Brockey]

Sweet. Always something rare or never seen here popping up. Keep em coming Mickey.

[hang&rattle]

Predecessor to the 350x it appears. Love those old school fenders. Couple sweethearts in the background. Thanks for postin' this up.

[Mickey Dunlap]

This was a proto-type of the 350x. The frame was built by Tracey Dickson of Dickson Design out of SD Cal.I picked it up and took it home to Powroll in Bend Or. in mid 83' I believe.We used Sundal Racing products fiberglass fenders,low profile 200x rear,and 250r front. 250r front forks were used and 200x rear WB shock on the 2inch longer rear Dickson swing arm.The 200x gas tank was cut and fabbed by Pete Fisher(new owner of Powroll).At the time the HRC dirt track bikes looked like the pic,so I had the frame nickle plated and the paint job was done in the red white and blue theme.

The motor was a XR350 RFVC and was built to a 420 I believe,but as all RFVC motors at the time it had major heat problems.The big front tire made things so bad I would melt the plastic dip stick in a 20min. moto at Powroll.We added a oil cooler and modifyed the fins on the head for better cooling. That gives you a little history for why the new motor in the 350x today.

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I think my scaner is messing up,the 350x looked more like this one with the color added,but yes it was still tall to get the tall motor to fit.


The race pic is me in 84' at the Tacoma Dome on another proto-type,but this time Honda had us build a 250 class racer with a XR250 motor.

[TatTooL23]

man.... a 600 in that thing? kinda looks like the pic is slightly stretched upward too. the tire on the van is not round.

[Mickey Dunlap]

One of the reasons Honda gave us the job of building a 250 was because I just needed more power when I would race the Mickey Thompson races on my 200x in the 250 pro class. I did alright in the tight corners,but after working my but off to pass someone they would get back by me down the long straights.


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It helped that I was only 140lbs. Now I am twice as old,and twice the weight!:(

[Chazz of Blades]

Jaw dropping.


Now I want to build that big puppy. I bet it was a monster to ride.

[jays200x]

Im likin number 1... check out the inverts with the zip tie fork savers... Id try her out for a spin

[jays200x]

ok I looked again not inverts but I think they were on top of their game there

[aldochina]

very cool!! that is one BRUTE of a brute force!! wow. dig the color sceme too.

[booblinker]

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I want it, sign me up for first dibs when they start producing this LOL.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I want it, sign me up for first dibs when they start producing this LOL.

As with most of the proto-types they went to the crusher,the 350x,my first 200cc two stroke and this one which was the 2nd updated style with the swing arm bolting to the axle on the out side of the sprocket and disc,making it to ridged.In this last race for Team Honda at Riverside Cal. it was to stiff and didn't flex like a 200x or the 1st style two stroke and it sucked trying to ride it on that track where the jumps were at a angle.

The 250x might still be in Bend Or. where I traded to the guy that painted the "Tiger race van".

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[MrPretty]

I'm loving this stuff :)

[harvestblue]

Pretty cool stuff!

[oscarmayer]

Hey Mickey,
What did you guys to do modify the cooling fins for better cooling? I'm running into issues on my son's racing mini-quads. We run hi-comp big bore 125cc 4-strokers and after a while they get really hot even though the tune is spot on. I am thinking if you can give me some pointers on how to mod the fins for better cooling, it will help a ton I runn an oil cooler but that's the most we can runn due to it's not water cooled. Any assistance is much appreciated!
Thanks!
Mike
oscar@mayer.net

[Mickey Dunlap]

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Hey Mickey,
What did you guys to do modify the cooling fins for better cooling? I'm running into issues on my son's racing mini-quads. We run hi-comp big bore 125cc 4-strokers and after a while they get really hot even though the tune is spot on. I am thinking if you can give me some pointers on how to mod the fins for better cooling, it will help a ton I runn an oil cooler but that's the most we can runn due to it's not water cooled. Any assistance is much appreciated!
Thanks!
Mike
oscar@mayer.net

A oil cooler is what you need,but you still should drain the oil between the heats and the main, and use a 15-40 Shell Rotella oil.

The fins were milled to give more surface to cool quicker. XR's Only came up with welding on about 2 inch wider fins out each side of the heads.


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[HONDA_ATC_FREAK]

this is a sweet thread:drool: :w00t:

[Eric250R]

WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!!!!! Love seeing this stuff!

[jensenracing77]

thanks for sharing. do you have any more pics from back in the day?

do you want to relive some 3 wheeler racing? check out the OTC races in Ohio. you could come show us how it is supposed to be done.

[big specht]

Yea I think we all love seeing this stuff cause we are all stuck in the 80's :lol:

[kiser]

Im liking this thread to!! I love old racing pictures!! Mickey you should come to a OTC race and at least hang out and give me some racing tips! HAHA! Keep the picks coming. Thanks!

[Mickey Dunlap]

thanks for sharing. do you have any more pics from back in the day?

do you want to relive some 3 wheeler racing? check out the OTC races in Ohio. you could come show us how it is supposed to be done.

What started all this yesterday was a phone call from Rickey Martin,I had not talked to him since 83' before he moved back to LA. He was trying to get ahold racers from back in the day,and I told him there are a few on here. I have a scrap book of most of my races covered in the mags. and I was looking at that to see if I had any pic to show my wife who called. So yes I have a few pics,I try to post up.

Would love to be able to just go riding right now,but I have a small problem I have been dealing with for the past 5 month.I was moving my shop and I was letting a welder down out of my truck and as I step on the plywood ramp it folded,so down we went. Just like in my race days I didn't let go when I crashed and I broke my arm.It needed surgery,but two weeks later I was out breaking in a new 1000cc Kawasaki Brute Force motor I built with a full cast on my right arm. Then I had to try "just one start" with it to see what it run like,it was fast!!!!!!!!!The problem came trying to stop a 1000lbs with out being able to get to the front brakes. Long story short,I high-sided into a few trees and down over a 20 foot cliff to the creek below. Broke 7 ribs, and because of that they couldn't put me under for sugery.So here I sit with a arm that isn't healing.:crazy:

Here is the dyno runs after the crash. 87.5 RWHP
http://www.kawieriders.com/forum/interstate-motorsports/101965-bad-ass-brute-dyno.html


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[sittinguy]

DUDE!! wow, that sucks.

[JasonB]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/sleepin-mr2/moarg-1.jpg

[powerslide250R]

Mickey that is some serious HP..... I too would not be able to sit and wait too long to try it out. Back in 2002 I had a major hernia surgery and was suppose to rest a few weeks. Instead I golfed 7 days later and tore up the track on my CR 250 after 9 days. The doc said I wouldn't hurt the area he repaired but the pain was too great at night for me to sleep so I waited two more weeks. We'll get better and heal up, please post some more pictures when you get the time. I'm still having fun on my trikes after 29 years. Thanks - Matt

[jensenracing77]

no wonder i didn't see you at the Expo. hope you feel better soon.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey that is some serious HP..... I too would not be able to sit and wait too long to try it out. Back in 2002 I had a major hernia surgery and was suppose to rest a few weeks. Instead I golfed 7 days later and tore up the track on my CR 250 after 9 days. The doc said I wouldn't hurt the area he repaired but the pain was too great at night for me to sleep so I waited two more weeks. We'll get better and heal up, please post some more pictures when you get the time. I'm still having fun on my trikes after 29 years. Thanks - Matt

Yea I cut the cast off after 6 weeks,way to soon but I couldn't stand it anymore. I still have it on now,I just put two hose clamps on it to hold it together while I work.I know,I know:crazy::crazy::crazy:I using a altrasound bone healing system on it right now for 3 more months to see if it works so I don't have to pay $15,000 out for a bone graft.:(

That was just my trail quad.:D I have a 1000cc chain drive V-Force for drag racing,and I am working on a twin 1000 motored V-Force and a twin 1000 Brute force for the heck of it.

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[shawnroy1971]

Good to see you on here Mickey.great pictures and stories!

[Chazz of Blades]

Wow Mick, thats a LOT of dough to be "for the heck of it".




Hmm, my ulterior motive sense is tingling..... ;)

[ironchop]

As with most of the proto-types they went to the crusher,the 350x,my first 200cc two stroke and this one which was the 2nd updated style
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Could you shed more light on the 200cc two-stroke?

what was the base engine for this and how did they achieve 200cc?

I`m asking specifically because I`m looking into something similar for a 200X flat track project I have been mulling over using a Blaster engine possibly

[whipit]

that first machine actually melted its dipstick? unreal.
man you had better go easy on that arm

I grew up reading all about the atv racing scene in the 80's so of course I remember you mostly on a 200x based machine? cool to see you are still at it

[ctk]

awsome thread

[Mickey Dunlap]

Could you shed more light on the 200cc two-stroke?

what was the base engine for this and how did they achieve 200cc?

I`m asking specifically because I`m looking into something similar for a 200X flat track project I have been mulling over using a Blaster engine possibly


Well Honda told me that each one cost $30,000 to build. They told me that as they were chewing me out for taking one back to Bend OR. I went to CAL. for a race one weekend and picked up my bike at Honda on a Friday afternoon. Saturday morning it was raining at Saddle Back Raceway so they closed it down. Me being from Washington state this was something new,if we didn't race because of rain we would have never raced!:lol: So Honda was closed until Monday,and I guess CAL closes down to when it rains,so I drove back to OR.Where they got real mad was we took it all apart and blue printed everything in case the put out a production model,we would already have the hop-up specs.Anyway it was a sand cast motor top to bottom,everything was a one off,but the gear box.It was a CR125 6 speed as we looked it up on the fish card. I don't have the specs but if you call Pete Fisher @Powroll he might still have all the specs.

I think I will open a new thread with more of my history,and I will talk a little more about it when I get more time to go though the scrap book.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Wow Mick, thats a LOT of dough to be "for the heck of it".




Hmm, my ulterior motive sense is tingling..... ;)

Yea,I do a lot of projects for the heck of it,but it's kind of my dog and pony show to bring customers into the big tent for the show,if you know what I mean. People always remember this or that project I built and that's what keeps the customers coming back.

One of the last big ones was a $30,000 mud bogger named "Mudzilla" I did for Kawasaki and Maxxis tire.

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[Eric250R]

That was just my trail quad.:D I have a 1000cc chain drive V-Force for drag racing,and I am working on a twin 1000 motored V-Force and a twin 1000 Brute force for the heck of it.

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THAT......IS........INSANE!!!! this thread has too much awesome in it.....:beer:drool:
Hey Mickey, how about coming to Trikefest and hanging with us this year ? I"ve already talked some pretty big names into coming, but not letting the cat out of the bag yet.....;)

[Mickey Dunlap]

That was just my trail quad.:D I have a 1000cc chain drive V-Force for drag racing,and I am working on a twin 1000 motored V-Force and a twin 1000 Brute force for the heck of it.

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THAT......IS........INSANE!!!! this thread has too much awesome in it.....:beer:drool:
Hey Mickey, how about coming to Trikefest and hanging with us this year ? I"ve already talked some pretty big names into coming, but not letting the cat out of the bag yet.....;)[/QUOTE]

Let me know about a month before hand when and where it is,and we will see how it fits in.

[4cylinders]

hey, my kinda guy!!

[bcredneck]

that sucks about your arm mines got 2 plates and 14 screws in it for life i just put my twist throttle on the clutch side and rode with a sling

[Mickey Dunlap]

hey, my kinda guy!!

Yea once you ride one of these V-Twins it's hard to go back,if not just for the sound!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSmFF2XXLYc

[Mickey Dunlap]

that sucks about your arm mines got 2 plates and 14 screws in it for life i just put my twist throttle on the clutch side and rode with a sling

Yea that's what they want to do to me.Screws are for wood,not for me!lol I as them if I could at least build my own plates?No:(

It might be starting to grow,the top one was taken two weeks ago,the bottom Dec. 22 2010.

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[Eric250R]

[QUOTE=Mickey Dunlap

Let me know about a month before hand when and where it is,and we will see how it fits in.[/QUOTE]

Trikefest is June 24th and 25th but most people will start showing up on the 20th. Haspin acres Laurel Ind. Best time you can have with your clothes on!!

[big specht]

Mickey Do you still have any of the atc you raced??? Back before you went to the quads

[Mickey Dunlap]

Trikefest is June 24th and 25th but most people will start showing up on the 20th. Haspin acres Laurel Ind. Best time you can have with your clothes on!!

You have to remember I am old,you will have to remind me a month before hand.lol

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey Do you still have any of the atc you raced??? Back before you went to the quads

No I never keep anything. There is one that I know of out in Washington state that just sits in a barn,but the guy won't sell it to me.

[Orangecnty250r]

No I never keep anything. There is one that I know of out in Washington state that just sits in a barn,but the guy won't sell it to me.


Hmmm someone here has one of his old 3 wheelers.....Not a honda though :naughty::naughty:

[dcreel]

Mickey, You had mentioned Ricky Martin.. I was looking through my old mags and found this CEET ad with you pictured and it mentioned Ricky Martin. Is he in the smaller picture?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/001-37.jpg

[Mickey Dunlap]

Hmmm someone here has one of his old 3 wheelers.....Not a honda though :naughty::naughty:

Wasn't really mine,but I did a lot of work on it.lol

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey, You had mentioned Ricky Martin.. I was looking through my old mags and found this CEET ad with you pictured and it mentioned Ricky Martin. Is he in the smaller picture?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/dcreel/001-37.jpg

No, I didn't even know he rode for them.

[Orangecnty250r]

Wasn't really mine,but I did a lot of work on it.lol

Most of the restoration is complete.. If you are looking for a blast to the past you are free to come wrench it back together anytime. That's the beauty of living one state away.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Most of the restoration is complete.. If you are looking for a blast to the past you are free to come wrench it back together anytime. That's the beauty of living one state away.

Ummmm,:idea:I don't think they paid me enough the first time,don't think the pay would get any better.:crazy::lol::p

[phantombiker]

hey mickey...back in the day was anybody doing any tricks on their bikes and just not getting noticed??

Mark

[blue27]

Ummmm,:idea:I don't think they paid me enough the first time,don't think the pay would get any better.:crazy::lol::p

LOL!!!!!! Hey I can put Mackys 200 back together and see if he wants to come out and play,lol

rumor has it he is putting a 200x together again to play:naughty::D

[oscarmayer]

man i can't wait to get me 200x back together! it's gonna be a monster! but remain 200CCs

[ATCrider42]

Just got my 200x back together. I little premature, though. It's not even warm enough to ride yet.

[Mickey Dunlap]

QUOTE=phantombiker;983288]hey mickey...back in the day was anybody doing any tricks on their bikes and just not getting noticed??

Mark[/QUOTE]

When I first started racing ATC's in 1981 we didn't have shocks:crazy:I was racing motorcylces (MX and Supercross)with 10 inches of travle and just getting ready to race my first pro race.My father inlaw was building the AMA Supercross tracks at the time and he got this whole ATC race thing going during half time at all the dome races with Team Honda.

From what I seen no one was really even jumping,and the only trick was staying up right on all 3 wheels!:lol:

First time I got big air was when we put front forks on the 81' 185s.

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The first time I race in Cal. against Curtis I think was at Corona Raceway. That was the first time I was told that anyone had seen someone "double jump" a 3 wheeler. The problem came when in practice I came up behind Curtis and he jumped the first of two jumps and I jumped what I thought was a "double jump". I was going to pass him (which I did) so I was off to one side of him and I flew over him.Was that a trick? Well he got pissed because he thought I was going take his head off,and he let me know it when we got back to the pits(first time of many to come). I didn't think it was a big deal,that's just the way I knew to jump.

Then in OH. in late 85' I think I had went back to racing Honda's for Powroll again.I had been doubling this big set doubles (about 40 foot between them) in practice again and no one eles was.But on the first lap ofthe first heat race Curtis tried! Then seeing what happen to him I backed off just a little and this happen. I didn't crash I just liked to see if I could touch my face to my front fender on landing:lol:,is that a trick?:crazy:


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[oscarmayer]

^ LOL now THAT is one heck of a trick there! I bet you were never able to do it again. ;)

[oscarmayer]

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A oil cooler is what you need,but you still should drain the oil between the heats and the main, and use a 15-40 Shell Rotella oil.

The fins were milled to give more surface to cool quicker. XR's Only came up with welding on about 2 inch wider fins out each side of the heads.


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the only rotella i can locate is for deisel engines. is this the stuff your talking about? I have been using Castrol GTX 10x40 with great results but in a Honda I like to use Pensoil 10w30 in winter and 10w40 summer.

[3Wheelingfool]

the only rotella i can locate is for deisel engines. is this the stuff your talking about? I have been using Castrol GTX 10x40 with great results but in a Honda I like to use Pensoil 10w30 in winter and 10w40 summer.

Yup thats the stuff.

[Mickey Dunlap]

the only rotella i can locate is for deisel engines. is this the stuff your talking about? I have been using Castrol GTX 10x40 with great results but in a Honda I like to use Pensoil 10w30 in winter and 10w40 summer.

Yes the deisel oils are what you want to run.

[oscarmayer]

First off, Thanks again Mickey for all your help! much appreciated!

I got some and dudes!! it was less than 1/2 the cost of normal oil!!! $14 for a gallon where it's $4.39 a quart for the normal stuff. that saved me some $$

hey just an FYI, right now autozone has the 1.5amp smart chargers that also maintain the battery on sale for $21.95 normally $31.99 so that's a deal!!! I got 2. for my son's new race quad and my red.

btw, do you do chromoly or alloy frames for mini-quads? We have some design ideas we would love to see about comming to life that would give us an edge and i think you may enjoy the project.

[atc350xer]

Yea that's what they want to do to me.Screws are for wood,not for me!lol I as them if I could at least build my own plates?No:(

It might be starting to grow,the top one was taken two weeks ago,the bottom Dec. 22 2010.

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I know your pain... I broke my arm, elbow and shoulder in a construction accident, and believe me... those kind of arm breaks take a long time to heal. I had to have mine re-broken and re-plated after it snapped through a screw hole and healed crooked... also a bone graft... ugh. Hope you have a shorter heal time than me!

[Mickey Dunlap]

First off, Thanks again Mickey for all your help! much appreciated!

I got some and dudes!! it was less than 1/2 the cost of normal oil!!! $14 for a gallon where it's $4.39 a quart for the normal stuff. that saved me some $$

hey just an FYI, right now autozone has the 1.5amp smart chargers that also maintain the battery on sale for $21.95 normally $31.99 so that's a deal!!! I got 2. for my son's new race quad and my red.

btw, do you do chromoly or alloy frames for mini-quads? We have some design ideas we would love to see about comming to life that would give us an edge and i think you may enjoy the project.

No I don't build anything like that.

I wouldn't blow a bunch of money on building lite frames.Honda built Tommy and Stevie (I think) Chromoly 200x frames,didn't save but 5lbs,and they still didn't win.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I know your pain... I broke my arm, elbow and shoulder in a construction accident, and believe me... those kind of arm breaks take a long time to heal. I had to have mine re-broken and re-plated after it snapped through a screw hole and healed crooked... also a bone graft... ugh. Hope you have a shorter heal time than me!


Yea,the lack of blood flow in this bone is lower then other bones in our bodys so the healing is slower. That is why I hope the altra sound thing works. I'm no doctor but on the CD's I get of these X-Rays it has some different programs you can look at what it looks like under different lights I guess is what it does. So when I look at it with this one I think it shows the blood flow in light green. And again the latest one is on top,and there is more green in it. Maybe I'm just hoping it's working. Either way,yes it's going to be a long time. And if there are any born again believers reading this please pray for Gods will here.;)


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[swampthang]

Cool stories! Not to Hoosier Daddy But how is running rotella going to affect the life of your clutch? I've been using the valvoline atv oil 10w40. Any advantage with rotella or is it just a personal preferance?

[Chazz of Blades]

CastrolGTX 10w-30 here, good oil. After it's ran any time at all though it turns green and bubbly, which is interesting.

[ironchop]

Honda built Tommy and Stevie (I think) Chromoly 200x frames,didn't save but 5lbs,and they still didn't win.


ROTFLMAO.....call that a FAIL

So were you running an oil cooler on the 200X?

Where did they hook up the feed lines? Pics?

[2Tim215]

Mickey, Glad you are on the forum here. I truly appreciate all the info you are sharing and taking the time to do so! Did you also run the Rotella 15-40 in the semi-automatic 185S or just the standard clutch machines like the 200X?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Cool stories! Not to Hoosier Daddy But how is running rotella going to affect the life of your clutch? I've been using the valvoline atv oil 10w40. Any advantage with rotella or is it just a personal preferance?

No problem with clutches,and if you have a stock motor what you are running is fine.

[Mickey Dunlap]

CastrolGTX 10w-30 here, good oil. After it's ran any time at all though it turns green and bubbly, which is interesting.

Bubbles don't lube very well,unless you are in the bathtub.LOL

[Mickey Dunlap]

ROTFLMAO.....call that a FAIL

So were you running an oil cooler on the 200X?

Where did they hook up the feed lines? Pics?


Yes I always ran a oil cooler,same one I stil sell today for our 200x,250x,300ex,400ex,Warrior,Quad Sport 230 and 250 ect. ect.

If you look at the front of the clutch cover there is a flat spot with a little casting plug. We drill and tap into a oil gally there. There is a little more to it but that gives you a idea.

I only tell people about the Rotella 15-40wt because most of you don't run full out race motors,don't warm the motor up fully before you run them hard,and it's cheep,and easy to find.

We ran a Shaffer Moly 40wt in my race bike.http://schaefferoil.com/151_diesel_oil.html

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey, Glad you are on the forum here. I truly appreciate all the info you are sharing and taking the time to do so! Did you also run the Rotella 15-40 in the semi-automatic 185S or just the standard clutch machines like the 200X?


Yes even the moly http://schaefferoil.com/151_diesel_oil.html

[Chazz of Blades]

Maybe it's just my eyes playing tricks on me, but do know the oil turns kind of a see through emerald green.

[phantombiker]

QUOTE=phantombiker;983288]hey mickey...back in the day was anybody doing any tricks on their bikes and just not getting noticed??

Mark

When I first started racing ATC's in 1981 we didn't have shocks:crazy:I was racing motorcylces (MX and Supercross)with 10 inches of travle and just getting ready to race my first pro race.My father inlaw was building the AMA Supercross tracks at the time and he got this whole ATC race thing going during half time at all the dome races with Team Honda.

From what I seen no one was really even jumping,and the only trick was staying up right on all 3 wheels!:lol:

First time I got big air was when we put front forks on the 81' 185s.

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The first time I race in Cal. against Curtis I think was at Corona Raceway. That was the first time I was told that anyone had seen someone "double jump" a 3 wheeler. The problem came when in practice I came up behind Curtis and he jumped the first of two jumps and I jumped what I thought was a "double jump". I was going to pass him (which I did) so I was off to one side of him and I flew over him.Was that a trick? Well he got pissed because he thought I was going take his head off,and he let me know it when we got back to the pits(first time of many to come). I didn't think it was a big deal,that's just the way I knew to jump.

Then in OH. in late 85' I think I had went back to racing Honda's for Powroll again.I had been doubling this big set doubles (about 40 foot between them) in practice again and no one eles was.But on the first lap ofthe first heat race Curtis tried! Then seeing what happen to him I backed off just a little and this happen. I didn't crash I just liked to see if I could touch my face to my front fender on landing:lol:,is that a trick?:crazy:


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point taken.

[oscarmayer]

Thanks again Mickey! We are finishing up getting ready to head out this morning. We have about a 2 hr drive and then Fun times!!!!!! ;)

[Mickey Dunlap]

Thanks again Mickey! We are finishing up getting ready to head out this morning. We have about a 2 hr drive and then Fun times!!!!!! ;)

Happy to help,have fun and keep all three on the ground.

[Tecate250]

Wow! another legend. Do you have any pics of the air cooled liquid coold mods? Also how did kawie change the raceing scene when they released the Tecate?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Wow! another legend. Do you have any pics of the air cooled liquid coold mods? Also how did kawie change the raceing scene when they released the Tecate?

No pics of air cooled water cooled stuff. I take it you are talking about the 200 Kawies. All I know about that is all I had to do on the big TT tracks is push Jimmy White hard enough where he had to run his air cooled 200 real hard and it would blow up about the 5th lap. The big front tire again wouldn't let the air get to the air cooled motors.

Kawasaki has always been known for building fast motors,but the rest of the bike wasn't up to par. On TT's they could win easy,but MX wasn't as easy and you had to be the better rider,and JW was. It made for some good battles,Red vs Green.

The Honda 250 riders started crying because JW was hole shoting all the time and it made it harder for them to win. They said it was the gap between 2nd and 3rd gear that was the problem and when the shifted 3rd it wouldn't pull hard enough.

For some reason they put me on Sundal's 250 at Santa Cruz. It had Ohtsu 18's on the rear and I hated those tires because they would roll in the corners and I would tip when I wanted to slide. I put my Carlisle R/A 16's on and everyone thought I was crazy.:crazy:. I went out and won the heat race in the 200 class on my 200x and the 250 class. Then I won the 200 main,but when it came to the 250 main I didn't have much left in me. I wasn't in shape hang on to the two stroke with twice the power. However I did hole shot JW big time because I would start in 3rd gear with the small tires,and kept the lead for about half the race,then I died,I didn't have anything left for JW.That was the only time I rode a 250 and I proved that you could hole shot with the right set up.:cool:

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[ironchop]

Yes I always ran a oil cooler,same one I stil sell today for our 200x,250x,300ex,400ex,Warrior,Quad Sport 230 and 250 ect. ect.

If you look at the front of the clutch cover there is a flat spot with a little casting plug. We drill and tap into a oil gally there. There is a little more to it but that gives you a idea.

Sweet! That was exactly where I was looking to tap into the galley. I can machine this all at work no problem but just needed to calrify where you thought the best place to tap-in would be in comparison to where I was thinking

You have a link to where I can purchase your oil cooler kit?

Again, I can`t say how much I appreciate you letting us pick your brain. Setting up a race trike these days is trial and error for me as there aren`t too many who know what the limits of these old machine`s capability is like myself and considering what just a race piston/cam/headwork costs and how crucial getting oil to the cam journals alone to keep from lunching the whole top half of the motor (as I have done previously)

I really like my 200X (I have three) and don`t have alot of cash to throw away should I get it wrong so this is very important to me to get it right and maintain it for as long as possible until the next rebuild....I had planned on dumping the project at one point in favor of a two-stroke but I can`t seem to get past wanting to field a fast 200X....just to be contrary, I guess

Thanks Mickey

[ironchop]

All I know about that is all I had to do on the big TT tracks is push Jimmy White hard enough where he had to run his air cooled 200 real hard and it would blow up about the 5th lap. The big front tire again wouldn't let the air get to the air cooled motors.

Kawasaki has always been known for building fast motors,but the rest of the bike wasn't up to par. On TT's they could win easy,but MX wasn't as easy and you had to be the better rider,and JW was. It made for some good battles,Red vs Green.

The Honda 250 riders started crying because JW was hole shoting all the time and it made it harder for them to win. They said it was the gap between 2nd and 3rd gear that was the problem and when the shifted 3rd it wouldn't pull hard enough.

I had always wondered about that....back in the day reading magazine coverage and seeing some races in INDY in person, I noticed the Crimson Tide swarming the lone Green dude (JW) alot....The Kaw had a more powerful motor and White was a seriously talented rider but I couldn`t figure out why there weren`t more Green guys finishing at the top. Those days, weekend race results seemed to translate into sales of that particular machine at the dealerships moreso than brand loyalty or preference whereas now these days it seems the opposite is true. I had suspected the chassis on the T3 had more to do with the popularity of choosing Red rather than Green and it seemed strange that they didn`t have a better chassis (was this due to Honda patenting the center of gravity location (motor location) on their chassis?)

It also seemd apparent that back then and well into the 90`s that Honda spent more money on their race teams than the others. Do you agree with this or were the appearances deceiving me?

[Mickey Dunlap]

I had always wondered about that....back in the day reading magazine coverage and seeing some races in INDY in person, I noticed the Crimson Tide swarming the lone Green dude (JW) alot....The Kaw had a more powerful motor and White was a seriously talented rider but I couldn`t figure out why there weren`t more Green guys finishing at the top. Those days, weekend race results seemed to translate into sales of that particular machine at the dealerships moreso than brand loyalty or preference whereas now these days it seems the opposite is true. I had suspected the chassis on the T3 had more to do with the popularity of choosing Red rather than Green and it seemed strange that they didn`t have a better chassis (was this due to Honda patenting the center of gravity location (motor location) on their chassis?)

It also seemd apparent that back then and well into the 90`s that Honda spent more money on their race teams than the others. Do you agree with this or were the appearances deceiving me?

I have raced and work for Honda,Kawasaki and Yamaha,and Honda by far spends the money to be the best at everything they do.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Sweet! That was exactly where I was looking to tap into the galley. I can machine this all at work no problem but just needed to calrify where you thought the best place to tap-in would be in comparison to where I was thinking

You have a link to where I can purchase your oil cooler kit?

Again, I can`t say how much I appreciate you letting us pick your brain. Setting up a race trike these days is trial and error for me as there aren`t too many who know what the limits of these old machine`s capability is like myself and considering what just a race piston/cam/headwork costs and how crucial getting oil to the cam journals alone to keep from lunching the whole top half of the motor (as I have done previously)

I really like my 200X (I have three) and don`t have alot of cash to throw away should I get it wrong so this is very important to me to get it right and maintain it for as long as possible until the next rebuild....I had planned on dumping the project at one point in favor of a two-stroke but I can`t seem to get past wanting to field a fast 200X....just to be contrary, I guess

Thanks Mickey

I have the oil coolers you need.

[Maico]

Mickey...What all do you know about the famed Honda ATC500 that Honda was about to release before the government stepped in?? Marty Hart was supposedly a big factor in the development of the big gun ATC.

Thoughts??

[Eric250R]

No pics of air cooled water cooled stuff. I take it you are talking about the 200 Kawies. All I know about that is all I had to do on the big TT tracks is push Jimmy White hard enough where he had to run his air cooled 200 real hard and it would blow up about the 5th lap. The big front tire again wouldn't let the air get to the air cooled motors.

Kawasaki has always been known for building fast motors,but the rest of the bike wasn't up to par. On TT's they could win easy,but MX wasn't as easy and you had to be the better rider,and JW was. It made for some good battles,Red vs Green.

The Honda 250 riders started crying because JW was hole shoting all the time and it made it harder for them to win. They said it was the gap between 2nd and 3rd gear that was the problem and when the shifted 3rd it wouldn't pull hard enough.

For some reason they put me on Sundal's 250 at Santa Cruz. It had Ohtsu 18's on the rear and I hated those tires because they would roll in the corners and I would tip when I wanted to slide. I put my Carlisle R/A 16's on and everyone thought I was crazy.:crazy:. I went out and won the heat race in the 200 class on my 200x and the 250 class. Then I won the 200 main,but when it came to the 250 main I didn't have much left in me. I wasn't in shape hang on to the two stroke with twice the power. However I did hole shot JW big time because I would start in 3rd gear with the small tires,and kept the lead for about half the race,then I died,I didn't have anything left for JW.That was the only time I rode a 250 and I proved that you could hole shot with the right set up.:cool:

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I wasn't even aware Kawi had an air cooled 200. Learn something new everyday. Also, in the second photo it says a Cagiva finished forth, any chance you have that pic ? And thanks alot for taking the time to answer all of our questions!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey...What all do you know about the famed Honda ATC500 that Honda was about to release before the government stepped in?? Marty Hart was supposedly a big factor in the development of the big gun ATC.

Thoughts??

Yes Marty had more to do with that and the IRS ATC then anyone,we never talked about it. That's one thing you should know about Honda,if you hear someone talking about a rumor of this or that,it just that ,"a rumor". The people that do know about stuff never talk about it.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I wasn't even aware Kawi had an air cooled 200. Learn something new everyday. Also, in the second photo it says a Cagiva finished forth, any chance you have that pic ? And thanks alot for taking the time to answer all of our questions!

I think it would have been 175cc or what ever size it started out in the producton bike,then big bored.

Sorry no pics of the Cagiva. All these pics are out of a scrap book my mom made, so what you see is what I have.

[shawnroy1971]

I had one of you're Powroll training video's a few year's ago,I wish I still had it.If I remember,it had an 86 200x and a 350x in it.What was you're favorite year 200x? Thank's for bringing back these memories.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I had one of you're Powroll training video's a few year's ago,I wish I still had it.If I remember,it had an 86 200x and a 350x in it.What was you're favorite year 200x? Thank's for bringing back these memories.

Yea I wish I had one too, I think my dad has one.

I like the first 3 years. The 86'/87's didn't have a very good head (flow wise),but they did have a 6 speed.

[Eric250R]

An IRS trike ? I can't see that being too stable. Did you ever get to ride that bad boy ? And what was it's purpose and size ? Race, utility ?

[ironchop]

An IRS trike ? I can't see that being too stable. Did you ever get to ride that bad boy ? And what was it's purpose and size ? Race, utility ?

need a rear swaybar for sure

[Mickey Dunlap]

An IRS trike ? I can't see that being too stable. Did you ever get to ride that bad boy ? And what was it's purpose and size ? Race, utility ?

It was for racing,I think Sundal was the only one that rode it.

[TrickyDickII]

No pics of air cooled water cooled stuff. I take it you are talking about the 200 Kawies. All I know about that is all I had to do on the big TT tracks is push Jimmy White hard enough where he had to run his air cooled 200 real hard and it would blow up about the 5th lap. The big front tire again wouldn't let the air get to the air cooled motors.

Kawasaki has always been known for building fast motors,but the rest of the bike wasn't up to par. On TT's they could win easy,but MX wasn't as easy and you had to be the better rider,and JW was. It made for some good battles,Red vs Green.

The Honda 250 riders started crying because JW was hole shoting all the time and it made it harder for them to win. They said it was the gap between 2nd and 3rd gear that was the problem and when the shifted 3rd it wouldn't pull hard enough.

For some reason they put me on Sundal's 250 at Santa Cruz. It had Ohtsu 18's on the rear and I hated those tires because they would roll in the corners and I would tip when I wanted to slide. I put my Carlisle R/A 16's on and everyone thought I was crazy.:crazy:. I went out and won the heat race in the 200 class on my 200x and the 250 class. Then I won the 200 main,but when it came to the 250 main I didn't have much left in me. I wasn't in shape hang on to the two stroke with twice the power. However I did hole shot JW big time because I would start in 3rd gear with the small tires,and kept the lead for about half the race,then I died,I didn't have anything left for JW.That was the only time I rode a 250 and I proved that you could hole shot with the right set up.:cool:

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Mickey, I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread! Very cool stuff! Pretty surreal. I remember seeing you race at the Oklahoma Winter Nationals back in the day. I'm pretty sure I still have a program from '84 somewhere. I'll have to look for it.

I wonder if the Kawasaki air cool was a KDX 200 motor. We considered using one for a conversion for the 200 class but kept looking for something water-cooled and faster. Then we came across the Cagiva. I'm glad we waited.

I was always a fan of the Carlisle Amerathon R/A. It was a good, stiff little tire. Carlisle probably used the same material as the trail pro. :lol:

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey, I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread! Very cool stuff! Pretty surreal. I remember seeing you race at the Oklahoma Winter Nationals back in the day. I'm pretty sure I still have a program from '84 somewhere. I'll have to look for it.

I wonder if the Kawasaki air cool was a KDX 200 motor. We considered using one for a conversion for the 200 class but kept looking for something water-cooled and faster. Then we came across the Cagiva. I'm glad we waited.

I was always a fan of the Carlisle Amerathon R/A. It was a good, stiff little tire. Carlisle probably used the same material as the trail pro. :lol:


You are correct it was the KDX 200.

The first tires we got from Carlisle were hard,but then later we got them to make me some softer tires which were called the R/A's.

OK. city was my second in a row win against Honda,just coming off a win in my home town Seattle at the Kingdome. It started raining right before the main and you couldn't even walk on the clay track at OK.I knew it wasn't going to be about going fast,it was more about just getting out to the starting line.:lol: I put on a set of stock tires and pumped them up to 15psi:idea::naughty:. The only problem I had was I didn't have time to change the gearing.I took off in first gear and it would only pull third gear tops,BUT THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN.:lol:

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The funny thing was Big Team Honda with all their money and big trailers full of tires,they didn't have any stock tires. Their team riders were out trying to buy up anyone's stock tires.

[brapp]

this is a awesome thread and i would love to find more info on the 500r. as i ahve already built a 500 tecate and looking for a cr500 powered r.

[TrickyDickII]

You are correct it was the KDX 200.

The first tires we got from Carlisle were hard,but then later we got them to make me some softer tires which were called the R/A's.

OK. city was my second in a row win against Honda,just coming off a win in my home town Seattle at the Kingdome. It started raining right before the main and you couldn't even walk on the clay track at OK.I knew it wasn't going to be about going fast,it was more about just getting out to the starting line.:lol: I put on a set of stock tires and pumped them up to 15psi:idea::naughty:. The only problem I had was I didn't have time to change the gearing.I took off in first gear and it would only pull third gear tops,BUT THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN.:lol:

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The funny thing was Big Team Honda with all their money and big trailers full of tires,they didn't have any stock tires. Their team riders were out trying to buy up anyone's stock tires.

Yes, it was a muddy mess that year.

I got the OK City program out last night and found a pic of Jimmy White's KDX 200 powered Tecate. Ironically, it was above one of our ads. That's probably why I thought I had seen it before.

I also scanned your profile from the program with a pic of you racing with your stock tires. I'm sure you have it though. I also scanned an article about how Team Honda came prepared for the '84 race after not having the right tires in '83. Thought you'd enjoy it. :lol: I'll have to scan this whole program sometime.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Yes, it was a muddy mess that year.

I got the OK City program out last night and found a pic of Jimmy White's KDX 200 powered Tecate. Ironically, it was above one of our ads. That's probably why I thought I had seen it before.

I also scanned your profile from the program with a pic of you racing with your stock tires. I'm sure you have it though. I also scanned an article about how Team Honda came prepared for the '84 race after not having the right tires in '83. Thought you'd enjoy it. :lol: I'll have to scan this whole program sometime.

LOL that's funny,I had never seen that. I guess they could learn something from an old country boy about being prepared.

About 4 or 5 races in to 83' Honda came to me and offered me a deal for the rest of the year so they could use me in their win ads. They didn't win any races so far that year in the 200 class and Honda wanted to run win ads.

[Tecate250]

Would kawasaki used the same Tecate chasis for the kdx 200 motors? Did kawie ever have a 250 air cooler prototype mabey in 82-83 season?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Would kawasaki used the same Tecate chasis for the kdx 200 motors? Did kawie ever have a 250 air cooler prototype mabey in 82-83 season?

Yes,they use the 250 frame and just stuck the 200 motor in it. I was building a KLX 200 (or what ever the name was)four stroke motor in the 250 frame too in 85' when I raced for them,but never finished in because I went back to racing my 200x half way into the year.

[hang&rattle]

Yes,they use the 250 frame and just stuck the 200 motor in it. I was building a KLX 200 (or what ever the name was)four stroke motor in the 250 frame too in 85' when I raced for them,but never finished in because I went back to racing my 200x half way into the year.
Alright! Thanks for the answer! I've been diggin' into this for a while now. Wanted to get my son into a Tecate chasis, but de-boring a KXT motor was to expensive and still a bit to much possibly. Sounds like the motor mounts etc. may be matching up. And even know of a couple motors at an old school shop. This is an option for an A1/A2 build. A narrower front tire and vent the front fender. My head is churning now. Thanks for the question Tecate250 and thank you for the information TrickydickII, and thanks for the answer Mickey Dunlap.

[Bryan Raffa]

Wow man I meet Mike Coe , Tom Gaian, Brett Driscoll ,Corda this weekend and now this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we were all out playin in the dunes!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :welcome: to the site!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Wow man I meet Mike Coe , Tom Gaian, Brett Driscoll ,Corda this weekend and now this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we were all out playin in the dunes!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :welcome: to the site!

What is Tommy doing now?

[Bryan Raffa]

didnt ask actually ,,too busy in awe over his photo album and hearing the storys as he went threw each picture...your name was spoke of alot this week...are your ears ringing? hahah!

he said something about prepairing for his sons big race for the U.S.A BMX team..

OH and I saw some wicked ass pictures of you guys!!!!

[Mickey Dunlap]

didnt ask actually ,,too busy in awe over his photo album and hearing the storys as he went threw each picture...your name was spoke of alot this week...are your ears ringing? hahah!

he said something about prepairing for his sons big race for the U.S.A BMX team..

OH and I saw some wicked ass pictures of you guys!!!!


Oh yea,I'm sure he could tell a few good stories about me!:naughty: I was a bad boy back in the day!:naughty::naughty::naughty:

[Tecate250]

So would you say hondas were better bike then green and yellow? I have seen alot of people down gradeing the 1984-85 tecate due to the rad way up top and that big tire. I have drove both the rs all years and a little bit of rideing around on 2 tri zs. But i have found that the big front tire handled way better then the skinny tire. Also for cooling I think the rad up high helps big time with cooling. Why did they use the skinny front tire? Also why did honda use the counter ballancer instead of using a cr 250 motor core? Too cool to see you racers shareing pics and stories.

[Mickey Dunlap]

So would you say hondas were better bike then green and yellow? I have seen alot of people down gradeing the 1984-85 tecate due to the rad way up top and that big tire. I have drove both the rs all years and a little bit of rideing around on 2 tri zs. But i have found that the big front tire handled way better then the skinny tire. Also for cooling I think the rad up high helps big time with cooling. Why did they use the skinny front tire? Also why did honda use the counter ballancer instead of using a cr 250 motor core? Too cool to see you racers shareing pics and stories.

Trust me I have Green blood flowing in me,as you can't tell I love my Kawie V-Twins,but you can't beat a Honda for all around handling. We used a low profile tire on the front of my factor Honda's,it wasn't a stock size.

If you didn't run a counter ballancer in the 4 wheeler's they turned into a big tuning fork and the frame would just fall apart.I think that was a big problem with the big bore motors (CR500/KX500)also in the 3 wheel frames.That's the problem Kawasaki had when they built 1 off quads for Bill Ballance for the GNCC's,poor guys arms would be hurting for a week trying to hang on for 2hrs at a time.

[RamsesRibb]

Wow this is a great thread. Hope there's more stories and pics to come :)

[jensenracing77]

You are correct it was the KDX 200.

I put on a set of stock tires and pumped them up to 15psi:idea::naughty:. The only problem I had was I didn't have time to change the gearing.I took off in first gear and it would only pull third gear tops,BUT THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN.:lol:

.

lol, when i was racing full time in 2001 we had a mud race. i put on the stock 400EX tires and everyone was laughing at me when i got the the gate. after the race i was laughing at them for blowing up all there 2 strokes with 18s in the mud. that was my easiest win. i think i was 1/2 lap ahead of the 2 other guys that was able to finish.

have you seen any of the TPC Trikes or other 450 conversions going on now?

[Mickey Dunlap]

lol, when i was racing full time in 2001 we had a mud race. i put on the stock 400EX tires and everyone was laughing at me when i got the the gate. after the race i was laughing at them for blowing up all there 2 strokes with 18s in the mud. that was my easiest win. i think i was 1/2 lap ahead of the 2 other guys that was able to finish.

have you seen any of the TPC Trikes or other 450 conversions going on now?


Yes I have seen them on here. We wouldn't have known how to ride those trick trikes!lol

[jensenracing77]

this is how you ride them,lol

sorry guys, i just had to show off for a legend.... isn't this when i should crash and make a fool of myself.

[Mickey Dunlap]

this is how you ride them,lol

sorry guys, i just had to show off for a legend.... isn't this when i should crash and make a fool of myself.

:lol:Been there,done that.Only I only hade 6 inches of travel and no landing ramp!:crazy:

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[sugarhead]

Boy I wished I was a little bit older in the 80s to have been able to participate,thats why the big 3 or hell even the euros need to bring em back for 36 year old kids like me that missed the 1st runs of these.Kind of like the 2nd coming of musclecars:D

[Dirtcrasher]

:lol:Been there,done that.Only I only hade 6 inches of travel and no landing ramp!:crazy:

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That is pure talent, Jensen seems to have awesome talent too; Man what a leap Mickey!!

I have an 86 200X head that came from you, opened WAY up as you stated they had flow issues..............

[Mickey Dunlap]

That is pure talent, Jensen seems to have awesome talent too; Man what a leap Mickey!!

I have an 86 200X head that came from you, opened WAY up as you stated they had flow issues..............

Are you sure it came from me? The reason I ask is I don't open ports up very much unless it's a big valve head.

[Dirtcrasher]

It only changed a few hands, I missed the auction on the 28/30? mm carb/intake and exhaust; But got the head and race cam.

The person who got it for me is a member and a stand up guy so I believe it, or at least what he was told. . It had a much larger intake with large ports seemingly dremeled or shaped with a carbide burr, nice lines - not hacked...............

[Bryan Raffa]

:lol:Been there,done that.Only I only hade 6 inches of travel and no landing ramp!:crazy:

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you just got owned by mickey dunlop!!!!
:naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty::naug hty::naughty::naughty::naughty:

[dcreel]

you just got owned by mickey dunlop!!!!
:naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty::naug hty::naughty::naughty::naughty:

And you spelled his name wrong in BOLD :lol::D

[Mickey Dunlap]

And you spelled his name wrong in BOLD :lol::D

LOL:lol: That's not as bad as the guys at the mags spelling it Dunlap and Dunlop in the same write up. I guess they wanted to cover their bases. It's no big deal to me I have been call a lot of thing,:naughty:Dunlop isn't that bad.

Only thing I didn't like was when Mickey Thompson got killed and people were calling Powroll saying how sorry they were to hear about Mickey!:(

The best was when Dunlop ran a win ad for the OK city mud race "Dunlap wins on Dunlop's" and I got paid for it.;)

[Mickey Dunlap]

It only changed a few hands, I missed the auction on the 28/30? mm carb/intake and exhaust; But got the head and race cam.

The person who got it for me is a member and a stand up guy so I believe it, or at least what he was told. . It had a much larger intake with large ports seemingly dremeled or shaped with a carbide burr, nice lines - not hacked...............

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[Bryan Raffa]

:lol::lol: It's been a long week! :rolleyes:......:lol: I got a 200x thats needs something like that!! very nice!

[xrider]

Hey Mickey,

I have a quick question for you. I am wondering who manufactured the scoopless tank on your Powroll mx bike. Was it an aftermarket item or a stock tank that was modified? I would love to run a similar setup on my 200x. Also, what exhaust is on that bike? Never seen one like that and it doesn't look like one of the Powroll manufactured pipes.

Thanks, xrider

[Mickey Dunlap]

Hey Mickey,

I have a quick question for you. I am wondering who manufactured the scoopless tank on your Powroll mx bike. Was it an aftermarket item or a stock tank that was modified? I would love to run a similar setup on my 200x. Also, what exhaust is on that bike? Never seen one like that and it doesn't look like one of the Powroll manufactured pipes.

Thanks, xrider

Pete Fisher the new owner of Powroll did the tank mod.,but you won't get him to build anymore,he hated when I got new bikes back then.lol The pipe/trike you are looking at is a XR250 motor in a 200x. The pipe again was built by Pete and the end meg was part of my 200x race megs. I don't know if they still sell them or not.


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[Tecate250]

Wow. Ill bet a few beers at trike fest and the croud woulndt let you go home for weeks. So why the skinny tires on tri z and 250rs? Was this to aid in more air flow to the liquid head?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Wow. Ill bet a few beers at trike fest and the croud woulndt let you go home for weeks. So why the skinny tires on tri z and 250rs? Was this to aid in more air flow to the liquid head?

Well I havn't drank in 23 years so a few beers and I wouldn't ever make it home!lol

I wouldn't call any front tire skinny on 3 wheelers. IMO the narrow tire puts more psi into the ground for better bite. A big wide tire wouldn't bite as well and would push more depending on what tire it was.

[Xfile]

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Hi Mickey,

I'm the guy DC bought the 86 200X head from....this is awesome that you are on 3WW...now I can finally clear up this story. I purchased the 200X from my supervisor at work about 3 years ago (he was 37 at the time). His dad bought him the 200X new and they removed the engine and sent it out to powroll to be moded. This would have been early 1986. The port work was extremely clean as Dirtcrasher stated. It had a 28/30mm round slide carb that from what I can tell, appeared to be throat bored. The carb was also spigot mount but had been fitted with a flange mount to mate up with the 200X's intake manifold. The engine work was clearly done by a pro. He also mentioned your name specifically, and said he had talked to you on the phone a few times while you were doing the work. He said your foot had been broken/injured in an RV accident and that is why you were doing the work. Another thing I noted is that the clutch had HD springs installed that were red in color, not just a bit of red paint; they are either painted or powder coated completely red ( I still have them here)...I have never seen this before. I don't believe he had any reason to lie to me...he did sell me a nice 86 200X for $450 after all, so he was not trying to BS me to get big money for his trike. He could have his facts mixed, he was only 16 at the time. I hope you can shed some light on this. Thanks!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Hi Mickey,

I'm the guy DC bought the 86 200X head from....this is awesome that you are on 3WW...now I can finally clear up this story. I purchased the 200X from my supervisor at work about 3 years ago (he was 37 at the time). His dad bought him the 200X new and they removed the engine and sent it out to powroll to be moded. This would have been early 1986. The port work was extremely clean as Dirtcrasher stated. It had a 28/30mm round slide carb that from what I can tell, appeared to be throat bored. The carb was also spigot mount but had been fitted with a flange mount to mate up with the 200X's intake manifold. The engine work was clearly done by a pro. He also mentioned your name specifically, and said he had talked to you on the phone a few times while you were doing the work. He said your foot had been broken/injured in an RV accident and that is why you were doing the work. Another thing I noted is that the clutch had HD springs installed that were red in color, not just a bit of red paint; they are either painted or powder coated completely red ( I still have them here)...I have never seen this before. I don't believe he had any reason to lie to me...he did sell me a nice 86 200X for $450 after all, so he was not trying to BS me to get big money for his trike. He could have his facts mixed, he was only 16 at the time. I hope you can shed some light on this. Thanks!

OK, I was thinking it was done by me here at Four Stroke Tech. Yes everything sounds correct.

[Xfile]

Thanks Mickey!! I'm sure DC will be happy to know this......You may remember the name (Scott Storduer) He said he annoyed the heck out of you by calling to much.. 16 year old with a brand new 86 200X back in 86...go figure.

[shawnroy1971]

Mickey,just wondering how easy the xr250 motor bolted up to the 200x frame? Or did you build a custom frame?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey,just wondering how easy the xr250 motor bolted up to the 200x frame? Or did you build a custom frame?

There was a guy in OR. building me frames based on the 200x that we used for that project.

[ironchop]

when doing a porting job on the intake and exhaust runners in a head, what surface finish would you recommend?

I know it`s popular opinion that glass-smooth and shiny is NOT preferred on the intake side as some would say the fuel tends to cling to the walls of the runner.

So how rough are we talking here?...I know you smooth any casting flaws or flash but when do you stop going up in grit count?

and secondly, do you prefer to do any shaving on the valve guides themselves where they stick into the intake runner?

[Mickey Dunlap]

when doing a porting job on the intake and exhaust runners in a head, what surface finish would you recommend?

I know it`s popular opinion that glass-smooth and shiny is NOT preferred on the intake side as some would say the fuel tends to cling to the walls of the runner.

So how rough are we talking here?...I know you smooth any casting flaws or flash but when do you stop going up in grit count?

and secondly, do you prefer to do any shaving on the valve guides themselves where they stick into the intake runner?

I have tried all kinds of surfaces and found no power gains. You just don't want the fuel to puddle.

The only reason those guilds are gone in that head is because we CNCed it, and on that head they don't have guilds that stick into the port much anyway. Most heads they do and we keep them in,along with the valve guild boss for the most part. These are just guild lines,every head is different,and flow gains are in different areas.

[KASEY]

good eve mickey. i thought you might like to see these,,, they were shootIng pictures of me and you seem to be in alot of them too,,, thurston county orv park and the no longer kingdome i think early 83,,, GLAD TO SEE YOU IN HERE TO RELIVE AND BRING THE PAST BACK TO THESE GUYS WHO STILL LOVE TRIKES!!! i have never been trikeless in the 33 years since the first one,

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n592/KASEYII/dunlap2.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n592/KASEYII/dunlap.jpg

[Mickey Dunlap]

good eve mickey. i thought you might like to see these,,, they were shootIng pictures of me and you seem to be in alot of them too,,, thurston county orv park and the no longer kingdome i think early 83,,, GLAD TO SEE YOU IN HERE TO RELIVE AND BRING THE PAST BACK TO THESE GUYS WHO STILL LOVE TRIKES!!! i have never been trikeless in the 33 years since the first one,

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n592/KASEYII/dunlap2.jpg

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n592/KASEYII/dunlap.jpg

Hey, thanks for the pics. I think I bought that 200x a week before that Kingdome qualifier,then took it to Powroll the next week to get ready for the Kingdome.

[Bryan Raffa]

Hey Micky,, I made this thred a Sticky .. so it's at the the top everytime!

[Chazz of Blades]

Smooth Moves Raffa!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Hey Micky,, I made this thred a Sticky .. so it's at the the top everytime!

So I see,lol. I lost it there for a min.,but I found it. For some reason I don't get e-mails when someone post,so I didn't know about this.

[tri-Z ripper]

Mickey at the top of the page look at thread tools, and go to subscribe to thread, you will get e-mail to notify you of new posts! can you please put a link or number for the oil coolers for the 200X. Excellent reading, and pictures. so great to see these posts love reading and getting more inspiration for more builds!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey at the top of the page look at thread tools, and go to subscribe to thread, you will get e-mail to notify you of new posts! can you please put a link or number for the oil coolers for the 200X. Excellent reading, and pictures. so great to see these posts love reading and getting more inspiration for more builds!

OK,never had to do that on a forum before,but this is a 3 wheeler forum,might be old tech.lol thanks

There is no link to my oil coolers,but I might make a 3 wheel page up when I get my new site up in 2012,lol.

[ironchop]

Mickey on some of your 200X race chassis` what were you guys running for rear axles? (all my X`s rear axles are as strong as a coathanger)

second question...(as for all makes of trikes you raced) how much, if at all, did you experiment with steering rake angles and/or trail? Adjustable trees perhaps?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey on some of your 200X race chassis` what were you guys running for rear axles? (all my X`s rear axles are as strong as a coathanger)

second question...(as for all makes of trikes you raced) how much, if at all, did you experiment with steering rake angles and/or trail? Adjustable trees perhaps?


I can't remember who was making the axles,unless it was JP racing(now RPM),but I think that was with my Kawasaki in 85'.

Maybe Mike Coe could tell you because he ran my 200x in the 250 class once when I had already won my race and something happen to his 250 for the main. The reason he might remember because it broke on him.Have you tried Durablue?

If you look at my interveiw on the "Tiger" forum or where ever it is you will see I had just started playing with adjustable rake angles,but then I left that company.

Sorry,not much help.

[oscarmayer]

You know Mickey, you opend a big can o-worms. ;) :lol:
Your gonna get a ton of questions about stuff like port flow, fluid dynamics, seat designs, cam designs, and more. I recommend you contact someone like web or powerroll (if you do not do that yourself already) and have them work with you to reproduce some of the stuff from yesteryear. I imagine it may be easier to just sell a cam or head than to have to explain to someone and then have it still not be right. Just a thought. I know you know a tun way more than me about these specifics.


Do you know a guy named Larry Widmer? He runs a shop called Endyn. www.theoldone.com if you wanna look him up. Big time head specialist for penski (sp?) racing back in the day.

Hey also, Does the name Jay Witt ring a bell? He says he remembers racing with you several times back in the late 80's early 90's.

[Mickey Dunlap]

You know Mickey, you opend a big can o-worms. ;) :lol:
Your gonna get a ton of questions about stuff like port flow, fluid dynamics, seat designs, cam designs, and more. I recommend you contact someone like web or powerroll (if you do not do that yourself already) and have them work with you to reproduce some of the stuff from yesteryear. I imagine it may be easier to just sell a cam or head than to have to explain to someone and then have it still not be right. Just a thought. I know you know a tun way more than me about these specifics.


Do you know a guy named Larry Widmer? He runs a shop called Endyn. www.theoldone.com if you wanna look him up. Big time head specialist for penski (sp?) racing back in the day.

Hey also, Does the name Jay Witt ring a bell? He says he remembers racing with you several times back in the late 80's early 90's.

Here's the thing,I tend to keep it real simple. You may see some gains on a full race 8 or even a 4 cylinder motor,but the samething that works and makes more power on those motors will do nothing for a little single 22 hp 200x. I don't think there is anyone on here building a super high tech motor for the 200x or 350x that is going to spend big bucks to see a half hp gain.I have been there and done that,and on the track you will not see any difference. In fact one of my fastest 250x class racer was bolted together by a customer. Curtis Sparks top riders got beat by this guy in TX,and Curtis said that is a bad motor Mickey built.lol So don't get caught up in all the hype.

Don't know any of those names.

[oscarmayer]

ok cool, thanks!

ok just checking Jay rode around your time and Larry did some small motor work as well as big drag stuff. Penski's son raced motocross back then.

[Iceracer]

Micky,
Its great to see some of these old pictures. Thanks for bringing back all our teen memories.

Do you remember the Honda mechanics and guys who did the prototyping for the atc/trx 250r. I've heard stories of Paul turner breaking out the acytelene and tin snips and making a whole pipe rite there to retune a motor to better suit rider prefernce and track conditions.

[Tecate250]

22 Hp on a 200x? Is that stock? Would you know of the stock horse power rateings for the racers?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Micky,
Its great to see some of these old pictures. Thanks for bringing back all our teen memories.

Do you remember the Honda mechanics and guys who did the prototyping for the atc/trx 250r. I've heard stories of Paul turner breaking out the acytelene and tin snips and making a whole pipe rite there to retune a motor to better suit rider prefernce and track conditions.

Yes Paul made the best pipes for the Honda's.

[Mickey Dunlap]

22 Hp on a 200x? Is that stock? Would you know of the stock horse power rateings for the racers?

Stock rear wheel HP was 11 on a stock 200x on Powroll's dyno. 22 was my race bike.

[jays375]

Does anybody ever bring old stuff in and ask to make it run like your old race bikes?I remember reading magazines back then and drooling.The hop up parts were to exspensive for a kid that just dumped his wad on a 200x.A friend of mine had a Supertrapp and switched the cam out.We couldn't touch him.His parents had money though.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Yes I still build a few 200x 83-85's,250sx's and a lot of 350x's. The prices are not any cheaper these days either. lol

[CoeShow]

Yes Paul made the best pipes for the Honda's.

I disagree. While Paul Turner made decent pipes and Steve Carters brother was a hand made pipe artist, I feel others in the industry at the same time were more knowledgeable and had significanly more experience than Paul. Paul Turner had Team Honda ATC backing plain and simple. The Honda Team could use no other components(knowingly) except Turner cylinders and pipes. It was a contractural arrangement.

Besides, how could a four stroke guy know anything about a two stroke? Just kidding. I'm happy to be reading your posts!

[ZRacer94]

I disagree. While Paul Turner made decent pipes and Steve Carters brother was a hand made pipe artist, I feel others in the industry at the same time were more knowledgeable and had significanly more experience than Paul. Paul Turner had Team Honda ATC backing plain and simple. The Honda Team could use no other components(knowingly) except Turner cylinders and pipes. It was a contractural arrangement.

Besides, how could a four stroke guy know anything about a two stroke? Just kidding. I'm happy to be reading your posts!

I know in 85 86 in the southeast the top regional pro Honda riders ran Selveys,CT, or Klemm. Paul Turner was much more popular with the fourtrax riders.

[i ride honda]

wow thats alot of trike

[Mickey Dunlap]

I liked the Turner motors,they had smooth power like my 4strokes. They seam to have all the power I needed to hole shot Jimmy White which some riders said they couldn't do:wondering:lol:I just couldn't hold on to that much power after only riding a 21hp 4stroke, and couldn't get the job done:(I was a 135lbs whimp back then!:lol:

Beside that I was building two stroke long before I started racing 4strokes,so I know a little about building them.;)

[Team ATC]

Yes I still build a few 200x 83-85's,250sx's and a lot of 350x's. The prices are not any cheaper these days either. lol

what kind of motor work are you doing to the xs now days?

[baycitysteve]

Yes I still build a few 200x 83-85's,250sx's and a lot of 350x's. The prices are not any cheaper these days either. lol
hey mickey you don't know me but i really know about how you can build 350x's .. i've been racing here in michigan for about 10 yrs and had to spend a ton of money to build a 350x to beat one built by you !! i think it's so funny 2 stoke guy always laughed at 4stokes till they got roosted on and got beat by what they like to call a tractor !!! dunlap , sparks , and my motor builder tom carlson i'd have to say are the best 4 stroke builders out there !! get well soon !! thanks steve clutter !!!!

p.s. 95mm big bore + 8mm stroker + big cam + huge carb 41 1/2 mm + hand built pipe + custom machined clutch + porting and bigger valves = 486cc beast !!!!!!
not your mamas 350x anymore and you best have a strong leg .. i tell everyone if you can start it you can ride it , not many have felt the power though !!!

[Big-red-man101]

wow thats cool, thanks for posting the pic, sad it was only a prototype

[torker]

Simply Amazing...Thanks for beeing here and sharing all this with us trike nuts...
Four Stroke Tech just got a new customer. Keep it coming.
TORKER.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I just got my new web site up,but the only thing on there is the 350x. I just found one of my old Team Honda 200x's so I might do some new stuff for it but I can do stuff for the 250sx too,just didn't list it.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Thanks I am building a 350x for a guy I think is on here and he will be ice racing it too.

[Mickey Dunlap]

First off I sorry for not getting back on here. I have been getting e-mails from some you on here asking about my arm,and it is healing but it's still has a way to go. Heck it's only bee 14 months:lol:

Here's the big news, the guy out in Washington state is going to sell me one of my Team Honda 200x's!:w00t:


He painted it the Powroll blue but I will put it back to Honda red.

I bought my Grand Father's 1969 Ford F-100 truck a few months back from my Mom,but I couldn't get it shipped back to PA. So on Dec. 11th I'm flying on the WA. to pick up my 200x and drive 3000 miles home.


I ended up calling Pete Fisher at Powroll because I had some questions about the cut tank. It's not like what he built for me,but he told me I brought it back from Honda on one of my trips from Cal.

The big news is he still has the 200x with the 250xr motor in it,and he also has my last 200x that I raced the last part of 85' and most of 86'. It has the fastes motor I ever had. One of the cool things about is I made a porkry pine head in the mile,so it looks like no other. He said some day he may sell them,but they would be big bucks!


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[dcreel]

Awesome... Can't wait to see some pics...

[Mickey Dunlap]

Well it looks like he rode it hard for 2 years and it's been sitting in a barn for 25 years. It's all taken apart right now,and he's trying to find everything.It don't matter to me it has all the aftermarket stuff,all the other stuff was just OEM.

[xrider]

Congrats on getting it Mickey! Can't wait to see a few pics. What brand swingarm is on it?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Congrats on getting it Mickey! Can't wait to see a few pics. What brand swingarm is on it?

I'm waiting for more pics because he said it had the wide axle but that,the shock and the swing arm wasn't in the pics. The good news is it should be cheap because it don't look very good. But that's OK because when I get done with it,it will be better then when I raced it. Plus I'm looking at making a 260cc kit for it to haul my bigger butt around.lol

[xrider]

Very nice. If you make a 260cc kit, you should make two. I would buy one off of you in a second, lol.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Very nice. If you make a 260cc kit, you should make two. I would buy one off of you in a second, lol.

I have to build at least 8 minimum,so yes I will have something killer to sell.

[jays375]

I can't imagine driving that far in a 69 F 100.Make sure to post pics of the old Ford too.Next question is will you be home for Christmas?I knew a guy that would drive a old Ford home from Colorado every year he went hunting there.He would fly out and drive one home.Congrats on both purchases!

[Mickey Dunlap]

I can't imagine driving that far in a 69 F 100.Make sure to post pics of the old Ford too.Next question is will you be home for Christmas?I knew a guy that would drive a old Ford home from Colorado every year he went hunting there.He would fly out and drive one home.Congrats on both purchases!

I think it will be a OK drive,I like the challenge! I have it being checked out at a dealer out there and it turns out the guy looking at it raced against me in my motorcycle days way before my 3 wheel days. It's funny going back home,I wasn't into school or anything, just rode motorcycles everyday with only two real freinds. Now everyone I talk to out there knows me!LOL Anyway the truck checks out real good so I hope to spend a few days with the family and then get on the road.I hope to be back here before Christmas!LOL 136376

[jays375]

WOW!That is a nice looking truck!Hope you weren't offended,just joking.Really jealous of you on your purchases.Makes me wish I never sold my 64 F100 stepside.What motor is in it?

[Mickey Dunlap]

WOW!That is a nice looking truck!Hope you weren't offended,just joking.Really jealous of you on your purchases.Makes me wish I never sold my 64 F100 stepside.What motor is in it?

No I wasn't offended,I just know it's going to be a trip and a half.

[jays375]

Are you doing this alone?You might need some tire chains when you hit the Rocky Mountains.Have a safe and enjoyable trip!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Are you doing this alone?You might need some tire chains when you hit the Rocky Mountains.Have a safe and enjoyable trip!

Yep,just like I did back in the day. Load up the truck,tool box and 3 Wheeler and head to Cal,Ok,Fl,Tx,Ia. or where ever the race was that weekend!

[Mickey Dunlap]

I have been going through a pile of pics and I found the one I picking up. It was the one I won the Baja Cross championship on.


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[T3 LOPES]

mickey i know this may be off topic but do you have any fond memorys of your tecate 200 and did you ever race the 250 class on a tecate. seen some videos on you tube of you tearing up the track. you were flyin!

[Mickey Dunlap]

mickey i know this may be off topic but do you have any fond memorys of your tecate 200 and did you ever race the 250 class on a tecate. seen some videos on you tube of you tearing up the track. you were flyin!

No JP Racing bought all my Team Green trikes and he died in a crash,some say it was a hit man from China?

[250x]

Mickey....would there be any chance you would grant me the permission to have all these photo's printed?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey....would there be any chance you would grant me the permission to have all these photo's printed?

Sure,I think I already did by posting them on the World Wide Web anyway!lol

[WJG1000W]

did you get it yet? how was the drive?

[Mickey Dunlap]

did you get it yet? how was the drive?

Yes,do a search on all my post you will find all the pics and story about that.

Also I'm sorry but for some reason I don't always get my PM notices off here and never any thing saying some one has replied to my post or thread. So I'm not snubbing you guys I just don't get on any forums much.

[motoman1012002]

147494 whts the story on this bike mickey looks like a 250r front half with a 200x rear 200x tank cut to fit 250r shrouds 200x rear fenders what motor did they use

[Mickey Dunlap]

Well it is what it says,they were a $30,000 one off 200 2 stroke motors with a CR125 gear box. They were very fast,but they didn't win that race because Honda told me I didn't need to go IA.But being the bad boy I was I showed up anyway,borrowed a customers 200x that I had just sold him my motor out of one of my racers. The track was real tacky and the 2 strokes hooked up too much. Honda was mad because I showed up,but then they were really pissed when I won both motos on the 4 stroke when they spent all this money on those bikes.LOL

The forks were off a 350x in a 200x frame.200x cut tank with 250r shrouds.

[motoman1012002]

so what was the top end off of then or just a bigger sleve put in the cr125 motor and it looks like the bottom of the 200x frame with a new split cradle i rode a tiger 200 back in the day and allways wanted to build a a trick 200 but im a honda guy

[Mickey Dunlap]

so what was the top end off of then or just a bigger sleve put in the cr125 motor and it looks like the bottom of the 200x frame with a new split cradle i rode a tiger 200 back in the day and allways wanted to build a a trick 200 but im a honda guy

It was a totally new motor with the 125 gears. On a big track I would set fastest lap times over the 250's.

[motoman1012002]

well that answer my question on find or building a 200cc two stroke other than a de sleved 250r

[Mickey Dunlap]

well that answer my question on find or building a 200cc two stroke other than a de sleved 250r

You won't ever find one of those motors,they were all crushed.

[oldskool83]

i've always like that pic. was motor close to a MTX200?

[Mickey Dunlap]

i've always like that pic. was motor close to a MTX200?

No,nothing the same whats so ever.

[oldskool83]

was worth asking lol.

[IronBear]

I'm just curious where that trike is today. Looks mean looking!

By the way, Nice Brute Force, set up for the mud! Love both three and four wheelers :)

[Mickey Dunlap]

I'm just curious where that trike is today. Looks mean looking!

By the way, Nice Brute Force, set up for the mud! Love both three and four wheelers :)

All Honda prototypes were crushed.

[Curtis-Tecate3]

Thanks for the info on the Team Honda "Works" 200cc 2 stroke. Most people on here were convinced that Honda pirated some european dual sport motorcycle engine (MTX reference) but what I saw at the Miami National back in 85 looked like a hand made sand cast motor and not something mass produced. At least thats what I remember. It was a long time ago.....

[Mickey Dunlap]

Thanks for the info on the Team Honda "Works" 200cc 2 stroke. Most people on here were convinced that Honda pirated some european dual sport motorcycle engine (MTX reference) but what I saw at the Miami National back in 85 looked like a hand made sand cast motor and not something mass produced. At least thats what I remember. It was a long time ago.....

You are correct!

[motoman1012002]

Well I get a 200 motor this week 82 r motor with a cammex top end

[Mickey Dunlap]

Well I get a 200 motor this week 82 r motor with a cammex top end

If I remember right those ran pretty good,but these 200's were faster then our 250's. At Boyd TX. I set fastest lap times of the night on the big oval.

[motoman1012002]

I rode a tiger 200 back in the day and allways wanted a 200cc two stroke now I just gotta figure out if I want to put it in a first or second gen 250r

[Mickey Dunlap]

I rode a tiger 200 back in the day and allways wanted a 200cc two stroke now I just gotta figure out if I want to put it in a first or second gen 250r

I'm sure it will be a lot better then the 200 Tiger.

[motoman1012002]

Yeah I think it will be I'm thinkin 82 250r fat tire rocking the 200

[Keith Salyer]

I had the fastest lap at Boyd Tx. oval until the national in 84. Should have won the 250 class but my reed valve (boydson) broke a peddle and we didnt get it diagnosed quick enough so I didn't qualify. My team mate Mike Park won that night, first privateer to win a national, they said. At least that's what the adds said on the next magazine issues. The cammex motors ran good on the big oval. Motoman, about that 200 cammex motor, is it an air cooled or a water cooled top end. My trike (83-84) had the water cooled model and they were good running motors. The air coolers are what we mostly sold to the public and they were fast also just not as trick looking back in the day, but probably more reliable. We had water pump issues we delt with that I remember.

[Keith Salyer]

Oh yea, I also think Mickey won a bunch of races as a privateer that weren't labeled nationals but really he was probably the first privateer to win big races on a regular basis.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Oh yea, I also think Mickey won a bunch of races as a privateer that weren't labeled nationals but really he was probably the first privateer to win big races on a regular basis.

I think every race my father in law(Doug Richards) put on he call it a national. lol The first race I won against Honda was the King Dome in Seattle 1983,two weeks later was the OK city winter National. They just put lables on races to make them sound good back then lol

[Keith Salyer]

I was always curious how much titanium was used in the factory atc,s. Especially the 200 two strokes. Less weight = more hp per lb.

[Keith Salyer]

My Cammex Honda was a 250 r in race form, and than reduced to like 214 cc. (200 cc + .80 over ) and it seemed like they were heavy. I always wanted to build a 4130 frame but that would have only been 5 lbs or so.

[Keith Salyer]

I noticed that the first picture of Mickeys 350, at the 84 OKC winternationals were our team ( Cammex) in the background. That year we brought a Semi with box trailer like 50 ft long. Heck, we even parked it up by the grandstands. We must have paid someone to get that done, Lol.

[tanks350x]

I just read through this whole thread... It's great to see all of the old pics. and read all of the great stories behind them.. You're a true living legend in our little community...And thanks for sharing...
Tank...

[Buster Brown]

It was a totally new motor with the 125 gears. On a big track I would set fastest lap times over the 250's.

Mickey thanks for setting the record straight about the factory 200R bikes. I was one of those whom thought that the MTX engine was used in those "works" machines. Very interesting!
Sorry for my misinformation.
-Andy

[Mickey Dunlap]

I was always curious how much titanium was used in the factory atc,s. Especially the 200 two strokes. Less weight = more hp per lb.

I never seen anyone use it,but at $30,000 each I just wanted the Pro-Link on mine.

[Keith Salyer]

One of my Oklahoma neighbors, Guy Cooper was a Team Honda MX (bike ) racer in the late 80s and they got some TY on there MX bikes. Honda 3 wheeler team must not have had the funding for that.

[Mickey Dunlap]

One of my Oklahoma neighbors, Guy Cooper was a Team Honda MX (bike ) racer in the late 80s and they got some TY on there MX bikes. Honda 3 wheeler team must not have had the funding for that.

3 and 4 wheeler racers will never be on the same level as the Motorcycle racers,they built a $30,000 200 class racer and built it out of a 200x frame! I didn't understand it then,and I see it as just plain stupid now. I was going faster quicker on a 200 then the 250s,and they give us a 200x with a rocket motor! lol

[Keith Salyer]

Dumb trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro Wes McCoy just didn't have enough stroke. I never did like that guy. Lol

[Mickey Dunlap]

Dumb trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro Wes McCoy just didn't have enough stroke. I never did like that guy. Lol

LOL,Not too many people did,and Jimmy White hated him more than any one!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Talking with Pete from Powroll yesterday and he has a project that we never got to race because of a rule change. It's a XR 80 built to look like a Mini-Me 200x. I don't remember it too much about it, but it has small low profile 200x style rear fenders,even has the plug to make more. I told him to get me pics of it and I'll post them up. If it sounds like something you would want and I'll get you a price on it.Or you can try calling them your self.

[KASEY]

I think every race my father in law(Doug Richards) put on he call it a national. lol The first race I won against Honda was the King Dome in Seattle 1983,two weeks later was the OK city winter National. They just put lables on races to make them sound good back then lol

mickey,, i had no idea you were related to doug,,,, thats funny, when i look back to the old race vids and see tad in his funky jump suits i just laugh at all the mempries if coyote racing!!!! doug was the greatest to us,,

[Mickey Dunlap]

mickey,, i had no idea you were related to doug,,,, thats funny, when i look back to the old race vids and see tad in his funky jump suits i just laugh at all the mempries if coyote racing!!!! doug was the greatest to us,,

Doug did a lot for the sport,worked harder then anyone to get it to the level it did. He also paid a high price from a lawsuit many years later because of a stupid Dad and his son.Some how they said because my son Cory (his grand son) beating him at a San Jose national on the last lap caused the kid some kind of mental problems.:crazy:

Tad made it very hard for me because we raced motor cycles for so many years he knew how I got good hole shots and he would trick me on purpose. If you watch the Youtube Sana Cruz race you will see me jump,it happen a few times before I changed my old ways.:naughty:

[Keith Salyer]

Thats funny, I remember Tad being the starter/flagman also. :)

[Mickey Dunlap]

Yea that's what they want to do to me.Screws are for wood,not for me!lol I as them if I could at least build my own plates?No:(

It might be starting to grow,the top one was taken two weeks ago,the bottom Dec. 22 2010.

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Just a little praise to God for my arm finally being healed. There were a few naysayers about not paying the $15,000 to fix it by the "specialist",but I just felt it would all come together in the end,so happy day!:w00t::w00t::w00t:

The bad news is I had fell backwards into a hole on to the corner/end of a 12 inch beam I was replacing in my old barn 5 years ago,all though I never had a MRI of it the doctors said I tore a mussel in my back. Well it has bothered me when ever I do too much work that requires movement of that spot,and for the past two week I had a job that had to be done that used that mussel so much that I just took a lot of Motrin trying to get it done. I didn't realize how far I pushed myself to get the job done,but I messed myself up pretty bad. Long story short when they were taking x-rays last week of my back I had them take one of my arm too since it had not been done in the past 6 months. So that was great news,just haven't been able to work or even type for the past 10 days.:cry::lol:

Too much polishing is what really does me in.

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[Keith Salyer]

That's great news Mickey. That looks healed to me. My back gives me fits every day and this office job is going to kill me. My back feels it's best when I am on my feet. That motor looks real nice. I bet it's quick too.

[Mickey Dunlap]

That's great news Mickey. That looks healed to me. My back gives me fits every day and this office job is going to kill me. My back feels it's best when I am on my feet. That motor looks real nice. I bet it's quick too.

Thanks

I'm ready to go in for a MRI,I just hate putting the money out for these things but I haven't worked in 3 weeks so I have to go find out what's all going on for sure.

[FLynes]

Mickey, I've enjoyed reading these last 15 pages, because as a kid (I was 10 in '83) I was a huge fan of all the Team Honda racers. As a retired paratrooper, I know what it's like to have a bad back, as well as bad knees; take care of your back and do what you need to get better. I found that full body massages help a lot and go once per month. My back isn't 100%, but I can ride again, which is a lot more than I could do two years ago. I look forward to hearing more stories from the old days. I did have one question for you: were there ever any pro races between trikes vs quads? I've looked all over YouTube but came up with nothing.

[atc007]

The reason I was your big naysayer was the down time ! That looks great !!! If you can find a OMT. Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment. That will free your back up BIG time. Not saying to not get it MRI'd. But a true OMT is the hands of God. Chiropractor,but a actual DR. And they do it all by soft tissue,very rarely twist or snap. Was gonna email ya,but this is easier lol. Back injuries suck the most. I remember almost crying for years when I woke up because I had to bend down to the ground to get my clothes.. Feeling much better these days . I'm sure you've tried heat and ice ? I feel for ya...

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey, I've enjoyed reading these last 15 pages, because as a kid (I was 10 in '83) I was a huge fan of all the Team Honda racers. As a retired paratrooper, I know what it's like to have a bad back, as well as bad knees; take care of your back and do what you need to get better. I found that full body massages help a lot and go once per month. My back isn't 100%, but I can ride again, which is a lot more than I could do two years ago. I look forward to hearing more stories from the old days. I did have one question for you: were there ever any pro races between trikes vs quads? I've looked all over YouTube but came up with nothing.

Glad you enjoyed reading all this craziness.

Massages worked good when I was going to a Chiropractor,but it only lasted a few hours. I know have a inversion machine that works just as good or better.

Once I started racing quads in 1987 I never race 3 wheelers again. For me I can't even ride Motorcycles like I did after racing 3 Wheelers either.

[Mickey Dunlap]

The reason I was your big naysayer was the down time ! That looks great !!! If you can find a OMT. Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment. That will free your back up BIG time. Not saying to not get it MRI'd. But a true OMT is the hands of God. Chiropractor,but a actual DR. And they do it all by soft tissue,very rarely twist or snap. Was gonna email ya,but this is easier lol. Back injuries suck the most. I remember almost crying for years when I woke up because I had to bend down to the ground to get my clothes.. Feeling much better these days . I'm sure you've tried heat and ice ? I feel for ya...

I have been dealing with this for over 5 years,but now because when it started hurting this time I had to try and work through it by taking a lot of Motrin for 3 weeks. Now I hurting bad most of the time even after doing little or nothing for 5 weeks.

I went to a new doctor yesterday but he thinks it's just a rough bone or a bone spear rubbing and cutting the mussel. He wants to wait another 3 weeks. But he doesn't want me to do anything in that time and I just can't stop work again and pay bills. I don't think there are too many of us self employed people that can stop working 2 months and still pay bills. My retirement all ready took a big hit in 08',so I can't take any more of that.

As a mechanic I want to find the problem and fix it. In 3 weeks if I don't get better(and it won't for reasons already stated) he will order a MRI.

[shawnroy1971]

Hope you get better soon Mickey.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Hope you get better soon Mickey.

Thanks,I hope at least by this time next year.

[oldskool83]

Man i've missed a lot of action being elbows deep in my 200x build. Hope all in well MD.

[ScreaminRed]

Great thread! Just finished reading all of it, and really impressed with all the knowledge on here. So cool to see all those older pics, brings back great memories! Dang, I feel old!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Can someone look back in the magazines at the Mickey Thompson Pomona Cal. races and post up the results in 83' and 84',I wanted to see what I finished on my 200x in the 250 class and who finished a head of me.

Thanks!

[Keith Salyer]

Someone needs to scan the old magazines and put them on the site. Categorized by racing, tech,tests, ect. pretty tall order no doubt.

[pantera1975]

Here are some of the 1987 ATC 250R decals I had done to replicate the 87.

[Mickey Dunlap]

This is my bike that no one has seen for 30 plus years, my Championship winning Team Honda 200x, back and better then new.217646

[Mickey Dunlap]

Took some more detail pics of it for Dirt Wheels and a guy that made me a offer on it, not that I'm really ready to sell it , but everything does have a price.





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[Ol Deuce]

Mickey Your build is Awesome What more can be said! I Love it!!!!!! Ol Deuce :Bounce:Bounce:Bounce

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey Your build is Awesome What more can be said! I Love it!!!!!! Ol Deuce :Bounce:Bounce:Bounce


Thank you, the face book guys go crazy over these things, not so much on here anymore.

[Mr. Clean]

Looks Great Mickey, so great to see a piece of racing history come back from the "dead".

[Mickey Dunlap]

Looks Great Mickey, so great to see a piece of racing history come back from the "dead".


Thanks, just wish I could have got to Trike Fest with it, and my Big Red.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Had to do a selfie with it in case it sells.217691

[big specht]

Thanks, just wish I could have got to Trike Fest with it, and my Big Red.

It was a mud hole most of the time. It looks to nice to ride in the cayment of haspin

[Mickey Dunlap]

It was a mud hole most of the time. It looks to nice to ride in the cayment of haspin


I wasn't going to ride it, I was bring my Big Red 350 kitted bike to finish putting it together there and ride it. It's just as nice looking but it's being built to ride, but the morning I was going to put the engine together I woke up sick so I still didn't get it going either. I just did a lot of work for nothing.:(

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[oldskool83]

I'm building another 200x using a 2nd gen R fender and front end. prob will end up looking semi like yours mickey....however kx112 bigbore motor is going in mine.

[Jmoozy27]

This is my bike that no one has seen for 30 plus years, my Championship winning Team Honda 200x, back and better then new.217646

Damn Mickey, that machine is sweet!!!! The swingarm is awesome with the dual pulley chain tensioner!!!

[Mickey Dunlap]

I'm building another 200x using a 2nd gen R fender and front end. prob will end up looking semi like yours mickey....however kx112 bigbore motor is going in mine.


Sounds like a cool build, my 250r forks have the spring and long travel kit in them.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Damn Mickey, that machine is sweet!!!! The swingarm is awesome with the dual pulley chain tensioner!!!

Thanks! That is the only swing arm to last more then a few races.

[onformula1]

Sounds like a cool build, my 250r forks have the spring and long travel kit in them.
Where did you find the long travel kit and front tire, rare these days

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[oldskool83]

How do you make 83-84 forks long travel? didn't they already have 9inches of travel? the last set I had redone for a 84 200x they had that much or more.

[onformula1]

I am assuming it is a old Terry cable kit

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[Mickey Dunlap]

Where did you find the long travel kit and front tire, rare these days

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They were still on it from 30 years ago.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I am assuming it is a old Terry cable kit

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Yes I think so.

[onformula1]

I wish you could still buy those kits.

Mickey, you get more 3 wheeler response from Facebook, then here?

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[Mickey Dunlap]

I wish you could still buy those kits.

Mickey, you get more 3 wheeler response from Facebook, then here?

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Yes Face Book is 100 times the response on everything over there. I'm some where close to a 1000 friends on my personal page, not sure on Four Stroke Tech, plus the people treat me better, none of the BS stuff I get from a few on here.