My 430x build

[blkstangman88]

So ive been waiting till ive made a decent amount of progress on my project before i posted up anything and i think ive reach a good point.

At the moment im waiting for my big bore piston and stroker crank from Powroll, which is taking far to long in my book.

I bought this 85 350x for $1000 back in nov of 09 and quickly decided i wanted to go all out since ive always wanted my own 3 wheeler. The owner insisted he had a brand new 86 crate engine installed the year before and had not ridden it since.

The day i brought it home.....
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Started the process the following weekend....
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Pulled the head off the engine....
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Got the engine apart...
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Crank pressed out at my buddys shop since i personaly dont have a press...
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All new black plastics in my spare room waiting...
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I got so excited i already went out and bought new rims and tires which i had to install...
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This is currently how my 3 wheeler sits, i do have a gusset kit on the way. once i recieve it ill finish the tare down, weld the gussets on and send it in for powder coating.
I already have all new gaskets and seals along with bearings waiting on the rebuild.

ANY feedback or advise is greatly appreciated. If anyone has differant ideas for me feel free to let me know and ill take them all into consideration....thanks guys

UPDATE 1-14-11

It was x-mas when i got home lol

Got my Powroll race cam, Powroll springs & retainers, alum gas cap and my gusset kit.....looks like ill be welding and griding this weekend!! im excited
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UPDATE 1-15-11

Since i got my gusset kit in i finished the tear down today....
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UPDATE 1-16-11

I almost finished the gusset kit but i ran out of gas for my welder. but i think it all came out pretty darn good.
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UPDATE 1-18-11

Im very happy with my progress today. I finished welding the gusset kit up and started seeing how im going to mount my dual oil coolers and what to my suprise i found, the tank doesnt fit worth anything.

looks like im going to cut and reweld the mounts in better spots so the tank will fit right. also make sure my 250r forks wont interfer.

and yes my oil coolers will be even, i havnt relocated the coil mounts yet lol

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[bcredneck]

kick ass it alredy looked good when you got it cant weight to see it done it will look good with black plastic

[aldochina]

nice man. looks like its gonna be killer. so when you tore into the motor was it brand new?? you ever get rid of those oem plastics??

[blkstangman88]

oh ya, everything looked brand new!! powroll got the crank and said it was one of the best theyve gotten in lol and yes ive already sold all my old parts, sorry buddy

[bugler30]

you ever get rid of those oem plastics??

yeah I got 'em ^_^ effin lifesaver this guy is :lol:

[sittinguy]

Looks Great, Now you gotta polish the triple trees and the forks, And you are going to want a QPS front skid plate for it, also polish that. Oh yea and an aluminum rear skid plate,,, :) also polished.113981

[oscarmayer]

i leanred something last year. Alloy skid plates suck!!!! my son went through 3 during the racing season and then we switched to a oscvarmayer fabes specual sheet metal one and it held up the whole time. the alloy ones cracked and tore all the time. so jsut an FYI, you may be better off getting a good stocker and haveing ti chromed if you want a show look vs. alloy for that reason, unles it;'s just gonna sit int he show room.

[390x]

PRM makes some pretty nice swing arm skid plates, and now they make engine skid plates for 350Xs also.

[blkstangman88]

I was actualy debating on getting the PRM engine skit plate and there dessert grab bar.

[bcredneck]

why would people even buy an aluinum skid plate its point less aluminum is the easyst metal to brake and gets weaker every time it takes a impact even plastic ones last longer the skid plate is like the motors helmet if you use one get steel

[sittinguy]

What the hell are you guys hitting to break a thick aluminum skid plate? You must be beating the crap out of your trikes.

[bcredneck]

i havent broke the one on my trike but i got a deal on one that fit my xr and i snaped it on a log a week later my tiny xr75 isent that heavy. steel is just better for parts like that you can dent steel and it wont brake as easy ive even seen one of thouse aluminum ones get ripped off by a tailgate when a bike was being taken off the back of a truck

[sittinguy]

Its gonna look awsome with all black plastic. What about the headlight plasic, can you get that in black?

[blkstangman88]

I have no clue where to get the headlight plastic in black. I was gunna paint it unless I can find one

[spoon]

Kind of related. In reference to the black plastic and headlight plastic. I had an H&K SL-8 which is a US version of the G-36 assault rifle. The plastic stock was a bright grey so I dyed it to resemble the true G-36. I used a 5 gallon bucket insulated with towels, 5 bottles of the liquid RIT dye for clothes and filled the bucket with boiling water then added the stock, covered the bucket and made sure the towels were insulating the bucket on top too. I left it in there for 12 hours and then pulled it out. Nice and black after that, it works but I dont know about the red plastic. When I get home I will try this and post the results. Try it, your not out much if it doesnt work.

[Erics350x]

im not sure about now but Aussie on 3wheeler.org was makeing different color headlight bezels for like $50

[390x]

I was actualy debating on getting the PRM engine skit plate and there dessert grab bar.

I have the Baja grab bar on my 350X, it was on when I bought the trike. I didn't think I would like the extra width, now that I have had it for few years I love it. The extra width makes it so much easier to control when moving the trike by it.

I have a PRM 1/4" swing arm skid plate from a 250X/300EX quad (modified to fit) on my 350X also. It is nearly indestructable. I ride in PA's coal country, we have Rocks. The quad skid is all 1/4", the one PRM makes for the 350X is not all that thick. It is a quality piece, but I parted a 250X/350X quad and had the skid already. The thicker the better where I ride.

I ordered but have not yet recieved a PRM engine skid with out holes. .190" was the thickest they said they would make, which is much thicker than stock. I doubt I will be disapointed with it, I have used alot of their products in the past and have always been pleased.

In my opinion: 1-steel skids are too heavy for an atv when thick enough to hold-up, 2-aluminum swing arm skids 1/4" thick last pretty well for me and I have never been easy on equipment, 3-nothing lasts for ever, 4-steel rusts, and you can't keep paint on a skid plate

[AJZ_200X]

Very nice - looks like a fun build. Just a heads up, the PRM rear grab bar has a major flaw - the flag mount welds are not fully supported and crack off easily. Just as heads up on that product. Have fun with the build. The swingarm is on its way.

[bugler30]

I'll take the headlight shroud if you are able to find one in black. Mine is pretty well shot.

[390x]

Very nice - looks like a fun build. Just a heads up, the PRM rear grab bar has a major flaw - the flag mount welds are not fully supported and crack off easily. Just as heads up on that product. Have fun with the build. The swingarm is on its way.

PRM makes several different grab bars for each application, not all have that issue. The 'Baja' I have has it's flag mount in the corner and is welded on two sides. I believe the 'Desert' grab bar the OP mentioned should be similar to mine. Only the narrower ones have the flag mount issue, I believe.

[blkstangman88]

Parts are on the way but im still waiting for powroll. wish they would hurry up.

I got a couple new updates in the main post. let me know what you guys think.....

[bugler30]

Love the black tank and shrouds, looks like Darth Vader's Helmut... :lol:

[390x]

Is that gusset kit from Bill C? Where did you get the gas cap from? That is a Clarke tank, right?

Could you post more pics of the gusseting, mods to fit dual coolers and what you did to make the tank fit?

Lookin good!

[blkstangman88]

Gussets are from bill. Ill post better pix tomarow for you guyz. The tank and cap are from clarks. Im going to check to make sure theysent me the rite tank. As for the dual coolers im going grind the stock holders off and fab up new holders that are the same on both sides.
Im not sure where to mount the coil yet cuz the 2nd cooler goes rite over the coils stock location

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 1-24-11

Got a couple little things done today.....

I got my 250r & 350x triple tree stems pressed out and dropped the 250r tree off at the machine shop to get reemed out and the 350x stem pressed in...
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I went ahead and cut off the plate that hold the coil and vin since it was in my way to mount my 2nd oil cooler....
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Im also relocating the mounting bracket on my 2nd cooler so i can mount it to the frame at two secure locations....
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And got the two oil coolers mounted and there pretty darn even just how i like..
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My 250r forks should be in tomarow, and once my triple tree is back i can mount the forks then take then entire frame to my buddy with the tig welder and ill have him make some steering stops for me....

[bugler30]

so why are you selling the black front fender? will it not mount up with your 250r triple?

[blkstangman88]

The front fender for the 250r is different. Switching to the 250r front forks was kinda a last min choice

[blkstangman88]

yaaa buddy, got my 250R forks in today. my triple tree should be back by weeks end. getting the 350x stem pressed in after its reemed out

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[bcredneck]

this thing is nuts please tell me your going to ride it and not just keep it like a show trike like the other guy who made a wiked 350x did

[blkstangman88]

lmao no im gunna ride it, then im gunna roll it, then im gunna cry!!! no ill ride it like normal but i will be hesitant to take it mudding tho.

[sittinguy]

Ride the crap out of it and make sure you punk some quad guys for us all. The dual oil coolers are cool as hell.
I don't have stroked engine, but I do have the 13-1 compression, with ALL the other goodies, and yes it does overheat,, if I am not moving.
As long as I'm moving its fine.
Can't wait to see it done

[blkstangman88]

After weeks of waiting i finaly got my stroker crank in!!!! ya im excited lol once my buddy gets off work ill b on his door step waiting to use his press so i can get my bearing pressed on my forks (the stem) and this crank pressws into the case and ill have the pix posted soon.

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[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 2-6-11

Got the bottom end put together last night. took longer then i wanted but im happy im one step closer!.

just got the crank pressed in
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cleaning the surfaces for the new gaskets
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Tranny assembled.
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together
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got the shift linkage together.
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[inv3ctiv3]

awesome build!

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 2-15-11

Progress is kinda slow but im still chugging along. ive been collecting oil seals, pins and proper c-clips, all the little items i need to button this project up completly.

I got the entire right side of the engine together but i dont wanna put the cover ontill i get new seals for the cover...
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250r forks are completly done, just need to weld a steer stop to the bottom of the frame...
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got my spare swinger cut up and i picked up the square tubbing i need to extend it, ill have this done and welded up tonight hopfully...
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[Mondexbrute]

Nice work, cant wait to see it all back together!

[Hurricane635]

Looks good, I'm glad you changed your idea for the steering stop. I've done 5 250r front end swaps and I just copy the 250r stop, but add a about 2 to 3 mm and grind till I feel good about the tank clearance. Also I'd bolt in the lower shock mount before any welding to avoid stress. Keep up the good work.

[thestud25]

Subscribing to this thread! Nice build so far.

[bcredneck]

i would cross brace the extended part of the frame the longer it is the more stress it takes from bumps

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 2-15-11

Well 3hrs of cutting and grinding lol but its on. yes i will be welding on a brace but i want to get the tires and weight on the setup before welding the brace on. i decided 5in would work better for me, im also going to get a 4in wider axle before thise build is done..

getting started
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not bad welds eh..
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Got it on... looks good to me
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[350Xccelerator]

Where did you get the gas cap from?

[blkstangman88]

Clarks manufacturing

[HONDA_ATC_FREAK]

that looks sweet nice paint

[350Xccelerator]

Is it machine specific or universal to all clarke tanks?

[blkstangman88]

It only fits certain clarks tanks. Hafta call and ask. Also the frame will be powdercoated black. Just reassembling to make sure everything fits

[NESC104]

Looking very Nice! Cant wait to see it completed!

[TECATEMATT]

did you use 2x1 rectangle tube to extend the swingarm.

[Kintore]

Your doing top notch work on this thing, Cant wait to see the final product. Keep up the great work man!

[blkstangman88]

Tecatematt, 2x1 is actauly to small. The inside of the swinger measures 2.2x1.01 basicly. So I had to get a 3x1 square tube and cut it down.

[TECATEMATT]

darn that prolly is going to be my only bet for extending mine cause i cannot find the exact size so guess more fab work for me thanks a lot though blkstangman88 have a idea of what i'm looking for now

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 2-18-11

Very happy with the bit i got together today. swapped the rear end in and got the tires mounted along with the rear fender on.
i do have a couple little items to weld still before i send the frame in for powder coating but its coming along good still

Got the rear end together....yes it will be fully rebuild before i reassemble after its powder coated
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[Dirtcrasher]

darn that prolly is going to be my only bet for extending mine cause i cannot find the exact size so guess more fab work for me thanks a lot though blkstangman88 have a idea of what i'm looking for now

All you have to do is fly cut it down. If you can't do it, any machine shop can.......

Fantastic work Blkstangman!! I worked on my steering stops today, it was like a flat tracker before :lol: Any thoughts on what your gonna do with those; I think they took me longer than most of the whole frame!!

[blkstangman88]

I was actualy thinking about using the stock stops that are on the 250r lower triples and welding two small plates/ angle pieces on the under side of the frame. as long as i can keep the forks roughly 1/2in from my two coolers. got any pix of your setup DC? this is just one idea ive been pondering all week now

[Dirtcrasher]

I'll get you some. I used .3125 thick steel, matched the angle of the stops and the angle of the frame. It was a ton of trial/error/ Bridgeport mill work.

To be honest, your correct. The stops are just a hair wider than the frame to get some good turning; But the only issue is that you have to match that angle on your lower triple....... I wanted them on there well because when I crash it I don't want them snapping off which is common with these changes.

I didn't enjoy today :lol:

[three_wheelin45]

Reminds me of when my dads girlfriends son was staying at my house for a while, he brought down is 250r and was rebuilding it. It was black like that also, I would jsut sit on that thing and act like I was driving it, lol. 250rfanatic85 is his usr name on here i think..

[xr132]

Lookin really good pal! Can't wait to see more progress!

[userj8670]

awesome build! whats the advantage to the 250r forks though?

[Dirtcrasher]

4MM larger, 2"s more travel. Suits his motor and swingarm extremely well; I got progressive springs for mine.

[blkstangman88]

DC whered you get the progressive springs? i was gunna rebuild mine, well put in 10w over 5w since im a bigger guy and i wanted to get a set

[2Tim215]

4MM larger, 2"s more travel. Suits his motor and swingarm extremely well; I got progressive springs for mine.
What if your going with a stock swingarm but the 430 motor build? Will the 250R front swap still be better? Any concerns with the larger bolt being pressed in after reaming out the stock 250R triples with integrity during rides? Has this been a tried and true mod? Just curious as the gains sound good otherwise, (4MM larger, 2"s more travel).

[blkstangman88]

your talking about minimal reeming. i had the shop remove .031 of an inch. which ment the hole was .004 smaller then the stem for a nice press fit. since hardly anything was removed i have no concerns about losing structeral integrity.

[2Tim215]

your talking about minimal reeming. i had the shop remove .031 of an inch. which ment the hole was .004 smaller then the stem for a nice press fit. since hardly anything was removed i have no concerns about losing structeral integrity.
Okay, sounds good, appreciate the reply, NICE build, looking good and waiting for the updates!

[Dirtcrasher]

^ Many times; You must turn down he stem or ream/bore the lower triple...........

Thing is, with a big motor your gonna hit things hard and fast. The suspension has to keep up!

[2Tim215]

Appreciate the information. Would any year for the 250R front end be better than another?

[blkstangman88]

i dont know everything about the 250r swap but i believe you need the 85-86 forks. the 86 is better cuz it has a single spring over two in each tube. someone else will need to chime in and give specific details on the differances

[2Tim215]

Okay, Thank you. It seems like most of Honda improvements were 86 and up! Appreciate the reply!

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 3-24-11

well its been awhile since ive been able to do much, that start of the year has been slow to start in the dump trucking world.

but i did the last of the welding i needed to do. Powroll FINALY called and said my big bore is ready and being shipped out tomarow.

Got some steer stops made. kinda primative but itll hafta do since i dont have access to a mill lol
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And made a new rear caliper support..
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I got the flywheel and stator installed, im waiting on my new clutch springs before i can install the clutch cover tho

[ironchop]

very impressive build, Stangman

[AJZ_200X]

Coming along nicely. Going to be a killer X

[longbedGTs]

Cool to see everyone doing builds on the 350. Very nice build! Cant wait to see it done

[userj8670]

any news on this?

[blkstangman88]

well i havnt actualy done anything with it since ive left for North Dakota since its the only state with work lol

But before i left i did install xr500 springs..
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I also recieved my big bore after what, 7 months of waiting!!!!.....
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I also for my stater back from Ricky stator, had the ground floated so i can run a batt and HIDs...no pix tho

Also my head/springs/+1mm valves are off to ct racing for p&p, hopfully it come out good!

Ill be home at the end of the month to send the frame in for powder coating. im pretty excited sorry theres not much but its getting there!!

[Hurricane635]

Wished I had have known powroll was so slow I've got 492 kits ready to ship.

[WIkid500]

Looks good! When I had my crank out to Powroll two years ago it only took two months, they must be busy. But as for reliability I have been beating on the 219x for two years now and she's running strong at 218 psi of compression!

[250r_doverdemon]

mint build! have to give us a lil vid once shes done

[userj8670]

That looks sweet! I had no idea the wait time was so long!! If you dont mind me asking, how much has this engine build up costed ya so far?

[blkstangman88]

The wait was so long because the piston supplier for powroll couldnt get the pin holes and ring grooves in tolerance....so they tell me.

As for cost, with buying the trike itself i believe i have $2400 into it now. im estimating for powdercoating, exhaust, head work and new bearings/oem seals around $1500 more. which is fine by me to get exactly what i want lol

Kinda sucks i had to hault production but money is important and i had to leave to work, but it will be finished this summer and i will have it at st anthonys hehehe

[userj8670]

So how much was the actual kit then? if i looked correctly and did the math right it was over $1000 for the kit - which i assume is bolt on?

[blkstangman88]

big bore $345
crank $290
cam $195
Springs $130
rockers $130
powroll installed sleeve, bored n honed for free since i waited so long.

so ya i got almost $1100 in parts.

plus $200 for custom made +1mm valves. so looks like i got a little more into it then i first thot earlier but its still in the same ball park lol

[userj8670]

lol adds up quick dont it :) Plus if you do the whole motor with bearings and seals that is probably another 1,000 or so. Looks like i better start saving:) But thanks for the info!!

[blkstangman88]

ohh ya it does, my engine was still brand new when i tore it down for this build. all the bearings are in great shape tho i did replace many if not all the seals. anything i thot might leak i replaced for my own saticfaction.

[userj8670]

I would assume with this type of build to its better to go with a 86 engine? Post up more pix when you can!:-)

[blkstangman88]

Update 7-4-11

I finaly got to install the big bore!! lol aint it purdy!!!!

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IU also got my stator installed with the floated ground. my reg/rec....batt....and HIDs are all on the way also!!

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[Hurricane635]

Looks good, is that the head you had worked over? Got any pics of it?

[blkstangman88]

thats my spare head. CT racing still has my original head.

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 7-10-11

I got my 250r forks ripped apart. let me say, what a pain!!! they have never been rebuilt like claimed to be! but there getting progressive springs and all new oem bushings and seals. also there being powder coated black along with the frame.
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[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 9-25-11

I got the head ported and polished. the first inch or so of intake i opened up to 36mm from 31 and the exhaust i went crazy and completly ported out as much as possible and polished it up nice and shiny like.

OHHHH YAAAAA!!!! got my head assembled!!!
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Installed...
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and installed on the frame...
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the fork tubed are in getting powder coated with a black chrome. im expermenting with the color to see if i want to go the entire frame with the same black chrome

[badass350x]

Looking really good I must say!

[JumpinJR66]

Nice work, especially the swingarm!

[userj8670]

Do you have to run dual coolers?

[oldskool83]

that x is looking like big papacock! nice job!

[blkstangman88]

userj8670, Dual oil coolers are a must for this setup IMO. 13-1 compression and stroked, its gunna produce alot of heat

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 9-29-11

Got my forks, hub n rotor powder coated!! black and blk/chrome are the colors im running with. i think it looks bad ass, cant wait to get the frame tore down and in to powder now

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[userj8670]

Nice!!! I can't wait for a fire up video. Have any idea when it will be done?? The suspense is killing me lol.

[Dirtcrasher]

The motor alone has seen some great work and I'm sure will have a free flowing exhaust and some good size jets!

People claim reliability is lost once a motor is stroked and has allot of work done to it; We shall see. The 350X is a pretty damn reliable and tough power plant.

I'd imagine simple maintenance would keep the reliability factor pretty damn good.

If you like to jump, you'll find how extremely fast and how much torque this will have; I foresee a works rear shock in your near future! :beer

[baycitysteve]

i have a 350 poked and stroked even bigger than yours and have had no problems , you should be fine .. make sure you have a good clutch !!!

[murfman]

How are you plumbing the dual oil coolers? I am contemplating this mod on my 350.

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 10-19-11

I sent out a majority of my parts for powder coating and got them back today.
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Partly assembled
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Heres where i stopped for the night.
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Im planning on rebuilding my rear shock with a stronger spring. anyone know how stiff the stock spring is?? im sure ill find out soon enough. ill probly get a eibach spring at which ever rate i feel i need. im also lowering it so a bit stiffer then normal since im a bigger guy.

Ill also be getting a new carrier since mine is chewed up and i was planning on installing new bearings anyways.

[userj8670]

Them colors are sweet! Really like the frame color...alot:)

[murfman]

Looking good, I can't wait until I'm at this stage of my build.

[HONDA_ATC_FREAK]

very nice love the black and chrome builds

[blkstangman88]

Im pretty excited about these colors, the "blk chrome" powder coat didnt come out as vibrant as i expected but thats ok, actualy chroming would have cost me twice as much.

Murfman, you asked how im planning on plumbing my dual coolers. if you can imagine im going from pump to the top of one cooler, connecting the two coolers at the bottom outlets then routing the top of the second cooler back to the engine. this way the oil will stay stored in the coolers so there is plenty of lubrication apon start up. and yes there will b a drain plug where the two coolers connect on the lower ports for oil changes. kinda confusing in writing but it make sence in my head lol

[murfman]

I am interested in what you are going to use for the plumbing, are you going to cut the ends off the stock lines and use rubber hose? I think you would be better off running the coolers top to bottom so the oil flows throught the second cooler in ther same direction it did stock. I am not sure what the 350x coolers look like inside, but some coolers have directional fins inside the lines for maximum cooling of the fluid.

[blkstangman88]

ive been looking into AN fitting and using metal braided lines between the sections. i have the 1/4in metal hard lines left and cut the remainder off the oil lines between. as for routing the coolers, your idea would work also. i havnt looked into the direction in which the coolers flow but you do bring up a good point.

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 10-22-11

Got my engine mounted up. new front wheel bearings and mounted up the front wheel today.

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[murfman]

Looking GOOD!

[whyzee]

So dam nice looking

[johnny's X]

Looks nice. Should spend the buck and get a new axle.

[blkstangman88]

thanks guys, its only takin me a year to get to this point lol i start my new job nov 2nd so i should be able to start putting money into this much more steady again, the trucking world has been a wild roller coaster this year.
johnny's x, yes a new axle is on the list!!
I got a basic list of things i need which include...

+4 durablue axle
new carrier & bearings
carb
exhaust
oil lines
rebuild rear shock
wiring (to include a batt and HIDs)
seat cover

almost there!!

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 12-10-11

Finaly got my full exhaust done, i went with a DMC full exhaust system for the 400ex.

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I was very suprised, we only had to cut and weld two spots....
one was the mid pipe which we hid behind the frame and plastics here.....
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And the left header pipe we had to extend about 3/4 of an inch to clear the frame w/o making it to ugly. the other weld there to the left was a factory weld, not ours.....
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Over all i was very impressed with how well this looks and how well it installed!!

[matt86200x]

Wow looks great!

[caucker]

I have never seen a 350x as beautiful and in general badass as this one. My hat is off to you sir. Looking forward to a video.

[userj8670]

I second Caucker! I cant wait to hear this thing in video. Do you have date yet in which you hope to have it running by? Keep up the great work!

[blkstangman88]

yes!, last summer lol i wanted so bad to take it to saint anthonys buuuuut that goal failed me. soooo my new goal will b spring!! I realy dont have much need to start it. i need a petcock and oil lines which im working on atm.

[userj8670]

I have been rolling around the idea of a 430x kit but before i pull the trigger I wanna hear and see it yaknow?

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 12-18-11

I got my Carb installed last night. tight fit lol

Got a used 41mm carb and ill tell you, it was nasty!! so i tore it apart and cleanedit out....
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oh and the woman helped lol
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shoving it on the stock gromet was a chore and a half!! little bit of boiling water and elbow grease works tho..
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before installing the tank again, got new hoses and needles to, but ill need to fire it up for adjustment
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i did notice after installing it ill hafta modify the choke cuz it hits the frame, easy fix tho. and yes i did straighten it!!
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So close to firing this thing up, plug, oil lines, banjo bolts for the hard oil line to the cam, battery, and wiring!!!!

[userj8670]

What are them electrical wires coming off the top there? A girl who helps you work on your money pit is by sure a keeper!!!!!!

[blkstangman88]

wires from the carb?? its a tps sensor. new bikes have em, its just and extra feature lol

[Dirtcrasher]

Does the cable entry hit the tank, or can it be run perfectly horizontal??

Looking great :beer

[blkstangman88]

There's about a half inch of clearance from the cable entrance to the tank. The cable will run rite up the frame under the tank. I was very impressed

[atc007]

Loving it! Gettin REAL close!!

[murfman]

Any updates on plumbing the Oil Coolers? I was playing around with them on mine yesterday, there is not much room up there with the motor and exhaust installed. I am running a 400EX Carb with a spacer to adapt a larger rubber boot, so it moves the carb back about 3/4" combined with the throttle cable cover being larger to clear the accelerator pump, it made it a TIGHT fit, I had to trim the plastic cover, but it fits like a glove now. Does that carb work with the stock throttle cable? If so I was thinking about ordering cables for the carb and clutch from Motion Pro with the steel braided sleeves. If you are interested I will see if it is cheaper if I order multiples of each.

[blkstangman88]

The 350x throttle cable does not work. The 90 combined with the larger threads. I Alrdy ordered a new motion cable from rocky mt ATV. I do have a idea for the oil lines. My main concern is looks. Function will b perfect but I don't wanna break the lines off riding lol ill try to get them done trailprotrailpro xmas

[captainweezy]

Looking great. I see you bought the wider pegs from a member on here. I have a set and love them. Keep up the good work.

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 12-24-11

I got a new battery from Trail Tech w/mounting bag and went to town on my wiring. i had to do a few cut n splices but not to much actualy. i converted my charging system from AC to DC so i can run a battery and HIDs. im pretty excited about this one....

Little big of a cluster but thats ok for now
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got it mostly cleaned up, next il just need to grab some heat shrink n loom to seal it all
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I mounted my battery n reg/rec to the bottom side of my seat and ill have a quick disconnect plug
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unfortunitly i hafta send my tank back to Clark manufacturing because my bullit cap doesnt screw on, it will get a turn on and then pop off, so Chris down there is gunna determine if i got a faulty tank since the ID numbers say theyll fit.

Other then this i found a shop that will press me on some oil lines, ill see if i can get a truck and get down there soon!!

[userj8670]

Outstanding! We are in the home stretch now! I cant wait for you to get this finished up. I have been watching this thread like a hawk for updates. Keep up the great work!

[aldochina]

awsome build so far man!! thing is gonna be a beast!! kinda gives you butterflies when you start getting this close!! perfect that swineheart is at this very moment working out the kinks in the hedlight bezel that i am sure you will be purchasing in black to top off the build!!

[blkstangman88]

aaww i got a jump on my oil lines today for those who wanted to know how i was going to plumb my dual coolers.

I welded on some fittings and picked up some AN fittings. ill be paintng the fitting black and leaving the stainless steel alone.
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It took me a few hours of bending and adjusting to make sure nothing touched or rubbed together...
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I had to order some 90degree fittings so i can get the cross over line done between then two coolers. ill tell u guys what tho, theres absolutly no free space with two coolers lol and i did route the lines as so....pump to top of first cooler (like stock) then the bottom of the first cooler goes to the top of the second cooler. i tried to keep the same principle of how the oil flowed to avoid any weird or unthought of problem.

Once i get the cross over line this week ill try starting it, i wont be able to ride it yet since i dont have a chain but i can grab a fan and run it for the first 15min break in procedure.

[userj8670]

Looks great! Be sure to get vid!

[murfman]

Funny, I plumbed my oil lines yesterday as well. I am using earls black nylon braided hose. I know what you mean about no room. I ran my crossover hose in front of the frame downtube. It looked like it would be too close to the exhaust if I ran it between the frame and motor and it seemed like it would defeat the purpose of the second cooler. I just need my seat from Mrs Mosh and it will be finished. I plan on starting mine this week as well.

[atc007]

Please ....! ..Get TONS of pics and video before that gets dirty Murf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[murfman]

Any updates?

[blkstangman88]

Got my sprockets yesterday n getting a chain today. I should have pix n videos this weekend!!

[Dirtcrasher]

Looking great!

How much jetting changes are you anticipating??

[oscarmayer]

very nice! can't wait to get my project going myself! it'll be a secrete. ;) but it's gonna be big, fast and fun!!!!

[Russell 350X]

Just read through this thread for the first time. SICK BUILD MAN!! Looking forward to see it done!

[blkstangman88]

It starts n idles great, along with being very responsive for a 41mm carb lol hopefully i will not need to remove it more then twice because its a pain! I cant turn it enough to get the 17mm off to access the jets and im definitely not pulling off the rubber tube i shoved it in. The stock carb holder that bolts to the head, i forgot the name lol yes i bored it out to match! Definitely looking forward to racing the woman's yfz450 again lol

[blkstangman88]

got off work at 3am this morning and was so excited i went right to the trike! got my sprockets on, chain ready, chain sliders cleaned!! im meeting my buddy to grab his chain breaker here in a few hrs and i also need to run by cyclebarn n grab a new valve stem, seems mine is hitting the caliper every rotation, ohhh so close to my first ride!

[plastikosmd]

nice! now i want one

[tri-Z ripper]

Just read this completely through!!! super nice build! every attention to detail was made! it was like watching a DC build!!!!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I too checked this thread out in it's entirety a couple months ago. Your taste, attention to detail and craftsmanship are top notch! Beautiful trike brother! :beer

[blkstangman88]

well ive encountered a problem. im getting oil to my filter, its flowing thru the coolers great, but not at the cam. looks like ill hafta pull the side off real quick and check

[CRAZY70MAN]

uh oh.......hope ya' get it figured out. I am eating potato chips as you wrench waiting to watch video of it running.......looks like a freakin' beast!!!

[Dirtcrasher]

I hate to ask, but, is the oil filter in backwards?

Are the OC lines to large and need metering down a bit??

[SWIGIN]

I was looking at your pictures of your carb. I just want to say that you are not suppose to take off the piece that is between the bowl and the main body. That area on the early carbs were known to leak air and they now use some type of sealer at that joint to prevent this. When they have an air leak the idle might hange or you get a nasty bog.

Just a heads up to anyone playing with newer FCR carbs.

As for your oil problem, did you open up and inspect your oil pump?

[Dirtcrasher]

I believe he started this with a crate motor, the way we all like to roll :D

[SWIGIN]

I believe he started this with a crate motor, the way we all like to roll :D

And that crate motor sat for how many YEARS ???

Like I say, you don't know whats in there till you look. I have seen ''new'' parts rust before, well worth a look IMO.

[Russell 350X]

Yea, defiantly make sure the oil filter isn't in backwards...hope its something simple.

[blkstangman88]

OK DC, Yes the ID of my new stainless steel lines are the same as the stock metal lines, i thought of this when i built them.

I tore the side open and theres new oil everywhere, crank, clutch, clutch bearing, shifting drum ect. i blew the lines out with air to the cam and they seemed ok.
i tore the oil pump open and did the three checks from the book, ring to body i got .005 (.010 tolarance) using mic and bore gauge, tip of pump shafts, the biggest was .004, (tolerance is .008) and then i used a straight edge over the pump components i measured .003 (tolerance is .004)

I called honda yesterday and gave them my readings and there tech said they seem a little on the big side (even tho there in tolerance) and its probly not pumping at 100% potental. sooooo i went ahead and they ordered me a new 300ex pump and theyll exchange it for free since this was a new one!!!! yes a new 300ex pump was in it. good thing i lubed the heck outa the cam lol

[blkstangman88]

Ohhh and yes the filter was in correct, that woulda been embarrassing

[Dirtcrasher]

Yep, thats a good thing! Glad you caught it and didn't run it long........

If you crack the oil line fitting at the top end? Can you see oil when it's idling at the top of the tube?? (I'd start it and crack that tube fitting, you should see oil spewing out)

And I hear about all the crate motors, but everyone I have a trike in, gets plenty of oil; and not 1 clutch has slipped....

It would be embarrassing, but you've got a great trike there!

[murfman]

Whew! Glad it was simple and you caught it quickly

[oscarmayer]

Well till he puts the new pump on and tests he can't be 100% sure. I'm curious about one of the oil coolers being clogged, or worse it can't pump through 2 coolers the way he has it plumbed. I myself would have put top to top and bottom to bottom and "t"ed the center of each to ensure it was the same on both sides. the way he has it, it requries tons of pressure to push oil through the coolers and the resistance could be causing part of his issue. but that's jut my personal feeling on it. I jsut got a 350x and when I start work on it, I plan on also going duals, but I will plum as i mentioned above.

[murfman]

Well till he puts the new pump on and tests he can't be 100% sure. I'm curious about one of the oil coolers being clogged, or worse it can't pump through 2 coolers the way he has it plumbed. I myself would have put top to top and bottom to bottom and "t"ed the center of each to ensure it was the same on both sides. the way he has it, it requries tons of pressure to push oil through the coolers and the resistance could be causing part of his issue. but that's jut my personal feeling on it. I jsut got a 350x and when I start work on it, I plan on also going duals, but I will plum as i mentioned above.

FWIW I have mine plumbed in series, and have good oil flow to the head.

[blkstangman88]

OK OK OK everyone can start calling me a MORON!!! i was going over everything this morning, and what to my suprise, my cooler was plugged! im so mad at myself atm n pray nothing was damaged!

heres the scoop, when i was in the process of pulling my oil pump out i took carful note in examining the oil, the oil from the engine was clean, the filter still looks new, when i popped my coolers off, my original (which is the first cooler the oil hits) was perfectly clean, along with the oil i drained out of it, now then i drained the second cooler i purchased, dirty oil and metal chunks flowed out the inlet side. im pretty positive since the metal couldnt get thru the fins, they definitly didnt make it from the engine thru the first cooler. Conclusion, im a dumb trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro and completly spaced sonic cleaning my second cooler because i know i did the first.

my new pump is on back order so im going to pop the top and check the cam and rockers!!! if the cam journals are damaged there goes another easy $500 for new head and machine work to transfer my still new valves over. im have a drink lol

[jon jon]

OK OK OK everyone can start calling me a MORON!!! i was going over everything this morning, and what to my suprise, my cooler was plugged! im so mad at myself atm n pray nothing was damaged!

heres the scoop, when i was in the process of pulling my oil pump out i took carful note in examining the oil, the oil from the engine was clean, the filter still looks new, when i popped my coolers off, my original (which is the first cooler the oil hits) was perfectly clean, along with the oil i drained out of it, now then i drained the second cooler i purchased, dirty oil and metal chunks flowed out the inlet side. im pretty positive since the metal couldnt get thru the fins, they definitly didnt make it from the engine thru the first cooler. Conclusion, im a dumb trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro and completly spaced sonic cleaning my second cooler because i know i did the first.

my new pump is on back order so im going to pop the top and check the cam and rockers!!! if the cam journals are damaged there goes another easy $500 for new head and machine work to transfer my still new valves over. im have a drink lol
i use to drag race my 350x and had around 1100 in motor work and i blew a hole in the side of the motor after a week.

[Dirtcrasher]

You'll be fine, you had a crate pump as it was so IDT it wore out too much sitting! or the new one, yada yada.

Damn crappy oil cooler, who was the fool that sold you that slug anyhow! :lol:

[oscarmayer]

glad ya figured it out.

murfman, good to know. i was not sure if the pump was capable of flowing through 1 coolers the way he had them ran.

[blkstangman88]

Woot woot! We got oil, n lots of it lol. Next order of buisness, i readjusted the valves n the tickibg wont go away. Could a rocker b tapping the cover?

[blkstangman88]

Poped the covers just now and the tapits opened up to. 005 from the. 002 i set them at. Hoping this is just from breaking in

[Dirtcrasher]

Don't beat yourself up.

I found my cam to need greater clearances as well as the decompression cable plays with that adjustment also.

I set mine to Megacycles specs and they make a bit of noise; I do plan on messing with them again.

Give Megacycle a call (I think thats who you got the cam from) and sometimes the guys wife is pretty helpful or gets her husband. Seems like a small shop based on the phone calls I have had with them but when I was nice, and he had the time, he gave me some answers.

Such as "run the motor at "XXXX" RPM's for 15 minutes to break in the cam" Then since we have a crate motor, there is another break-in procedure. I just used VR1 oil and took it easy for 5 minutes, then kept it revved a bit. How the helll can you satisfy both??!!

Like I said, I too have some noise though and will use the backwards screwdriver method to my ear to see if it's the intake or exhaust valves and play with a thousandth here or there until it sounds nice and quite.

[blkstangman88]

Thats good to know. Ill be out in the garage tomarow tinkering with the valves more, try n tighten them up and quiet it down. Theres absolutly no lack of power for sure. Oils all over now its just that tick. Tho with the exhaust u cant hear it lol my neighbor came out and was in shock at how good it sounded ripping down the road........at half throttle. Lol

[Dirtcrasher]

You'll find that every exhaust valve change affects the decompression cable, it it can make a loud tick also.

At idle just lift that decompression lever with your fingers and you'll here and feel that slap.

I won't claim to be an expert here, I figured that if I set them to the cams specs, it would be as quiet as OEM. But, I too am still struggling with getting it set just right and I think it should be silent, or does the cam drop off that fast, who knows. But, I only have about 5 hours on this crate motor so I'm sure things have to wear in a bit.

I like to ride, I get tired of dickin with things but I don't want them to wear parts out either........

You did even more work so you may have to mess with it a few times. Glad to hear all that money spent was well spent :beer

[blkstangman88]

The GOOD NEWS!!!! my heads OK, there is ZERO wear on the cam journals..


THE BAD.......
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I need new rockers and a cam.....my rockers i can send to powroll and have them redone, the journals and tapets are still perfect. the cam.......Looks like Powroll stocks cams, ill need to order one as soon as i can
yes DC im not beating myself up TOMUCH but this is a VERY STUPID mistake, i should have cought it. lol

[blkstangman88]

I just thought, Powroll get there cams from Web rite? i checked there site and Web sells my cam for $142, same cam from Powroll is $195, EVEN BETTER!!

[Dirtcrasher]

What the heck happened? Were the valves adjusted too tight? I think my specs were like .005, .008.

Thats not from the lack of oil or it would all be cooked......

[atc007]

He said .002. THAT will do that nicely! You want to hear them a little. Nice and quiet is not exactly what you're shooting for here! Dc's specs sound about right,,,way too loose for a stocker,,but close for a cam. Too tight does exactly what you're dealing with stang : ( TOO loose will break the top of the valve off at the keepers. Sorry for your troubles here man !

[Dirtcrasher]

Thanks atc007, I missed that...


Looks like your exhaust valve pad wore the worst, I bet that decompression cable was set too tight also.

My decompression cable doesn't work like it did in stock form, I have to push the kicker a bit past TDC (My OEM trike is not this way) but it runs and makes great power so I leave it alone. It takes so damn long to get such expensive parts it gets frustrating.

Truth be told - I left all 4 rocker arm adjusting nuts loose when I 1st started my crate motor! Probably because I planned on doing it out of the trike but the parts took awhile to get here..... :( I guess we should all keep a notebook and document everything!! I caught it in 30 seconds because "it sounded wrong" but it could have gone much worse................

[jays375]

That is a real bummer!Waiting for parts does get old.My cam just came back from Megacycle.It took just under a month to do a regrind.The quality of there work is awesome though.They might be able to still fix your cam.Might be worth a call to them.

[blkstangman88]

im confused, when i originaly installed this, i set em at .003 like my bok says. maybe the books not ment for strokers and race springs lol anyways the damage is done, im fixing it asap.
also i dont think it was my decompression cable cuz its been set at the looses setting since i installed it all.

note on the wall, OIL?? note #2, .005 tappet gap lol

[torque]

i have been following your build for a while now. your work has been meticulous, this is just one very hard lesson learned. on a positive note you found the problem before the whole engine was ruined. this could have happened to any one. its just to bad you have to fork over more money to fix it. best of luck cant wait to see this thing running

[weidjd]

Wow, great build. I hope you get some vids up once you get this all squared away. It took you (7) months to get the kit?

[blkstangman88]

Yes, powroll said they where having trouble with there piston distributor, the pin holes where over sized on 2 orders and the ring slot depth where to shallow.

[Dirtcrasher]

I think when I checked my specs for my cam they were .005 intake, .008 exhaust and that friggen decompression cable can definitely hold it down too tight on the exhaust cam........ I'll check again. Then again, I don't have your cam.

[baycitysteve]

i took my decompression stuff off . to much of a pain to deal with .. plus when
someone asks to ride i tell them if you can start it you can ride it , most can't !!
it's my anti theft/ride device !!! from stock to big bore stroker if you don't know
how to start one of the things there a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro but if you know the trick you can
start even the biggest baddest motor , in less it's sub zero then good luck get your tow strap out !!

[blkstangman88]

Haha no kidding, i told my woman the same, 110lbs, 5,9 n she couldnt get it kicked past the compresion stroke jumping on it lmao i alrdy have a scar on my shin from slipping off and the kicker smacking me

[baycitysteve]

i bet my buddy 50 bucks he couldn't start my big bore with flip flops , guess who won and guess who didn't wana pay up
after he got his cast on his ankle ??? he kicked it like a gurl then the big bore kicked back twice as hard and broke his ankle !!
and that was only my 89mm 423 kit , he's lucky it wasn't the 95mm 483 kit !! bye the way i hope you get that 430 up and runin
as good as the rest of that atc looks !!

[Dirtcrasher]

It's mainly a matter of proper jetting.
Then just an easy kick just past TDC and your good.

Fresh or Built:
Try kicking it at TDC with the kicker at 12:00 and you will get a cast :lol:

Feeling that compression is amazing, I can only imagine what you guys go through!!

[murfman]

It's mainly a matter of proper jetting.
Then just an easy kick just past TDC and your good.

Fresh or Built:
Try kicking it at TDC with the kicker at 12:00 and you will get a cast :lol:

Feeling that compression is amazing, I can only imagine what you guys go through!!

4 letters G O K I, it may be ugly, BUT it is prettier than a cast!

[murfman]

blkstangman88
Sorry to hear this, but at least it did not take out the head, good luck!

[blkstangman88]

Alrite, the good. My cam and intake rocker are saleable. But i have to buy a new exhaust rocker. I sent them all right to Webcam and got a call promptly. Much faster then Powroll. WEBCAM said I'll have them back next week. This is my $250 lesson if anyone wants to take notes lol

[blkstangman88]

UPDATE 5-5-12

got my cam back from WEBCAM thursday, got it installed today!!decompression cables adjusted. i also called them to get a verbal verification on the spec lol they recommended .004 so i went .005, sounds amazing!! rod it up and down the street. plugs a golden brown. i do need a bigger main jet, at WOT it cuts out, no biggie tho. this files pretty big and its uploading from mym phone now, ill have a 2min ish sound slip up shortly. when the woman gets home ill do some drive bys.

[blkstangman88]

ok i lied, 1 min lol

http://s379.photobucket.com/albums/oo231/blkstangman88/?action=view&current=2012-05-05_13-54-23_300.mp4

[stroberts22]

You need to have Tammy at Cosmic Quads do a seat for you in black with all the original steciling of a 85 to complete the murdered out look of your X.

[HONDA_ATC_FREAK]

Mine will look that good..... some day lol

[blkstangman88]

Alright, still runs perfect. Got the stock air box hooked up, looks great. The trike pulls hard cept at WOT. This is the main jet correct? Kinda sounds like it hits a rev limiter lol

[atc007]

Sounds like main,,what's your plug say? Should be tan to white wanting more.

[blkstangman88]

plugs tanish. no black smoke. so im thinking everything else is set right. ill grab a step up main jet and it should pull damn hard. or should i go two steps up?

[kasey200x]

Try going up two, if there is no noticeable change go down 2 from what you had in there.

Sometimes it is very easy to misunderstand what the engine is telling us.
Nice build!!

[Dirtcrasher]

Sounds like it wants more fuel; Hey, I'm at 162 and it doesn't break up and your motor blows mine to crap :lol: What are you at now? Jetting wise....

I forget what your compression was?

[blkstangman88]

2 turns out on a/f, 45 pilot n 165 main, 4th c clip down on needle.

Massive 13.5:1 Compression.

Me n the old lady w/her yfz450 r goin uo logging roads next weekend to start working out the corks, im loving this thing!!

[kasey200x]

Does the rev limited feel kick in as soon as you open the throttle all the way? Or only at very high rpm? Could be your plug gap.

[blkstangman88]

U know im unsure, ill try again. I can wot it then a few sec later in higher rpm it "limits out"

[Dirtcrasher]

Sounds great!! 13.5? YOWZA!! You'll have to tinker with the decom cable so it works as it should. You may be fine now but I've seen just a small change make a big difference.

Glad to hear it's up and running again :beer:

[kasey200x]

Are you running race fuel or e85?(Don't remember reading about it) If not I can almost guarantee you to have some predetination issues and over heating problems. 13:1 is the highest you want to go in a water cooled engine before running higher octane fuel. I know you have a second oil cooler, but oil cooled is much less efficient in cooling the top end that a water cooled engine.
Also, sounds like you should check your gaping and ignition timing if it is possible. Maybe retard it just a little bit. Just throwing thing's out there to try, good luck.

[blkstangman88]

110 octane only. Theres zero detonation issues, it just needs more fuel. Cant time these either.....as far as i know lol

[Dirtcrasher]

I believe he's running some pretty good fuel and I don't think the 350X has adjustable timing as far as the ignition goes.

You can get a degree wheel and drill out your cam sprocket if you want to check the valve timing.

I don't believe the 350X has a "rev limiter" either.

I could care less about that crap, not enough time in a month even to check it; I want to ride it!

I'm sure he's happy with it sounding good, performing excellent and realizing all his hard work and determination worked out great! :beer

[blkstangman88]

Alrite i lied lol 45 pilot n 170 main. Pulled it out today, im gunna go 2.5 turns on a/f. Next step up on pilot n 180 main. Hopefully itll help

[jays375]

What carb are using?If the stocker you should go up alot more on the pilot.Mine is a 52 pilot and still need more.My motor isn't as worked up as yours.

[blkstangman88]

Fcr 41mm. The idle n low end is great, hardly any poping on decel

[kasey200x]

a/f? its one or the other, are you sure its a fuel screw and not a air screw? If it is on the engine side of the carb, fuel screw. If its on the air filter side, air screw. This is usually the case.

And with the timing i was talking about the spark happening too late. Not getting good combustion at high rpm, causing the rev limiter feel. retarding the timing would make it fire a little sooner(same as closing the plug gap). I was not talking about cam timing. I can not give you any real text book advice on the stuff that is 350x specific. I had one, but this was a while before I got into the engine stuff. I am more than happy to help you with any info that is universal and you can choose which applies to your machine :)
Hope you get it all figured out.
Does you carb have a hot start? If so you can use this as a additional tool to aid in getting the pilot jet dialed in even better.

Kasey

[blkstangman88]

Alright. Went with a 48 pilot, had to go up to a 185 main n 2.5 turns on the fuel screw, runs like a champ!!! Amazing power now. Next order of business, my stators not charging. Im currently working but any ideas r helpful. I floated the ground, got a reg/rec n a batt. No charge tho.

[yaegerb]

what MM is your carb?

[blkstangman88]

Its a 41mm Carb

[oscarmayer]

very nice job sir!!!! Hats off to ya!! :)

[kasey200x]

Are you getting any voltage at all? Or just not enough?

[blkstangman88]

zip, no voltage at all. i just got home so ill go nose thru the book. im sure theres a ohms test to see if the stators grounding out.

[blkstangman88]

Would this this require that much fuel? I closed the plug down to. 020 n have a 185 main. The "limiter" feeling is almost gone, plug is a tanish dry color. Just seems like alot lol

[blkstangman88]

WOW havnt been on here in a really long ass time!

well went to Vantage, WA for a 20 mile poker run last weekend. absolutely epic!! I finally figured out my jetting, i ended up with a 142 main, 42 pilot, 2.5 turns out and a 75 leak jet. runs amazing!!

when we arived!! me with my trike, my buddy had his yfz 450 (not shown, in truck) and my other two buddys and there 450 bikes.
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo231/blkstangman88/Mobile%20Uploads/ResizedImage_1363746949339_zpsd08efe82.jpg

unloaded and warming up!!
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo231/blkstangman88/Mobile%20Uploads/ResizedImage_1363746949809_zps7d72649c.jpg

after lol
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo231/blkstangman88/Mobile%20Uploads/ResizedImage_1363746950142_zps6843c5b1.jpg

http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo231/blkstangman88/Mobile%20Uploads/ResizedImage_1363746950462_zpsa98f5a09.jpg

I did have a very nice "typical trike wreck" about the mid way mark and tweeked my front fender. still awesome!!

[nicker71]

hows it run compared to the yfz in speed and torque? Very nice build!! Looks very mean

[redsox]

never saw this thread before. just read it cover to cover. wow. really, truly, sic trike. excellent work all around. epic build.

[blkstangman88]

Against my buddys yfz, his suspension is definitly dialed in better then mine! On the straights i walked past him easily. Im thinking -1 on the rear sprocket and my gearing will be set! They both felt equal in the tq area to me, i think my gearing is where i have the advantage right now.