Honda dealer offering help for the 1987 quest

[Cave Rider]

My name is Pat,(Cave Rider)
I have been curious to say the least about the quest for the 87's. I currently own a 1987 250ES. Not such a big deal,since 3ww came about..lol
Anyhow,i am about 1.5 hrs from the canadian border,and would love to get some cash and go hunting(1987 250R)or (1987 350X).But i obviously can go into it blind. I also am not computer savy. It took me quite some time just to figure this site out.
I also work at a Honda dealership and have access to quite alot of dealer info.I am willing to use ANY of my resources to help bring resolve to this matter. I have gone to the dealer sites trying tp find anything about them and have had no luck.
Does anyone have ideas or part #'s that they would like me to try ?? I can do dealer locators and search's but it only works in the U.S. Short of tying up my dealer rep. and using him as ransom,im beat !!!
I know there are some crafty/creative members here,so if you have suggestions LMK.

[mymint87]

Ignorance abounds here when it comes to this matter, I for one believe they are out there just from the credibility of the witnesses......but here,:banned::banned::banned: they want pics, maybe because they feel nothing is true unless endorsed on these forums.....shallow minded urchins fursure...I wish you the best of luck... and BTW, the 87 ATC250R are blue....... you might broaden your search to Europe too

[jeswinehart]

Bring resolve to what matter ? What are you asking,,, for Honda numbers or where 87 modles are located ?

[Mosh]

At the risk of being bashed to death for my opinion, I simply Believe that the 87 250R and 350X just does not exist. If so, it would be prototype only that never hit the sales slate.

If one did, I would tend to believe it to be the 250R.
Now all this is my opinion, but let me explain.

When Suzuki introduced the first quad racer, all the big 3 companies almost would have instantly dropped any R&D into a 3 wheeler. They knew most trike racers were ditching trikes and jumping on the 4 wheeled wagon. Just look at the 86 Blackwater 100 tapes. It was a literal sea of LT 250R Quadracers. So from a business standpoint, the manufatures would instantly jump on the quad wagon just to keep their heads above water. It is a money thing...That is all. Why would they continue efforts to make a Record, when Cd's were starting to flood the market? (That is a relative business comparison, and quite logical too)

Also the 87 350x would have been abandoned for a 87 year, simply due to the fact that Honda aimed at focus on a sport 4 stroke quad which eventually led to the release of the 87 250x.They only thing in the Brochure on the 87 350X was some different stickers and white tank scoops. Once again a 50 cent option strictly for a early photo brochure realease.

For me, I can honestly say that I am realist and the first thing that makes me skeptical is the sole fact of big business. The big companies knew quads were coming and immediately shifted focus to that market. Then bring in the whole ATC ban decree, which I am sure that inside closed doors, the manufatures knew was coming before it even went public.

There has been much speculation that the 87 R does exist. But aside from 2 photos one being a brochure,The other a pic of a 86 R with white OEM plastics leads me to believe that was all it made it to. A advertisement photo.
Now some will say but wait, that 86 had OEM Honda plastics. Well, it would have cost honda a whole 50 cents to drop some white TRX plastic stock into the ATC molds and blow a few pieces for a prototype picture. If a white set of plastics was sold or made it to a private owner, it almost certainly would have been and inside job from a friend, or leftover stock of a 5 piece run, or employee that carried out a few pieces to sell. That I can believe.
Other than that we have a 87 ATC seat picture floating around. Well let me assure you, that that would and is EASY to replicate. I have done it.
Now if I saw the bottom pic of the seat pic we have seen, then I would succomb to the fact that it was actually a OEM cover as I would be able to tell within seconds. But all we have is top pics.But once again, a 50 cent option to produce one strictly for a photo op for a sales add.

Regardless, it is something of a controversy ,and if one pops up with viable proof I will eat my words.

All we have proof of now, is utility models and the 200x in 87. And I am sure they were on the line unassembled in late 86 and were slightly modified for some last minute sales to clear the factory inventory on the assemebly line.
But good luck in your search.

[SWIGIN]

I think Mosh is a mind reader since thats what I say all the time....lol


Mainly the part about quads taking over and they are the real reason trikes being dead and not solely the ''ban''.

[Dirtcrasher]

Same here guys!!

Not one single part has ever shown up anywhere, aside from the possible seat. Well, MOSH covers seats and could duplicate that "A" too.

I'd love to know that 2,3,4 or 6 got away and are hidden away with a person that has money and could care less about a message board.

But, I have to look at the evidence thus far and it's not looking good..........

[Billy Golightly]

Dean Kirsten has said that he rode an 87 250R Canadian model. I don't doubt that. I know that 87 ATC parts exist because one member here has an 87 ATC250R motor in his TRX (Check the article on teh front page if you haven't read it). We've got the 250R in Japan that has what appears to be the correct plastics and decals. I think there is no doubt they were produced. I guess my hang up is how many (If any) were released to the general public. Tht I'm not so sure about.

[fabiodriven]

I say no more threads on this topic until someone has pictures.

[ShaneNP123]

Wasn't there a thread a while back about someone buying an '87 350x? It had pics I remember

[ShaneNP123]

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?24897-Project-350x-is-done-so-what-year-is-it

[Dirtcrasher]

^ someone made the mounts, they most likely wouldn't be black. No holes in them, OEM likes to save weight!

The grommets are just from something else. The year sticker doesn't go there......

No key switch.

Debated years ago...........

[scooterroo]

oh boy here we go AGAIN...

[oldskool83]

I agree with mosh...why because we do the same thing were i work. we release a proto type of somthing we do not make for a next years sales show, even do a brochure and update labels on product....and turns out 1/2 the time we we never end up making it or getting a contract to sell it.

so in the end theres a fake prototype that looks like a new relase but its just a weeks worth of time to try and get a dime.

[Cave Rider]

I completely take your knowledge/thoughts to mind. You have all made valid points.One thing that im curious about is Dean Kirsten.Why would he BS?? I guess im still that 6 yr old still looking for santa,but i cant give up so easy. Another point for them not be in existence,that i personally encounter is that most performance and large displacement models are built last. At least thats the case here at our dealership. The big toys always show up last,so maybe Honda did see the writing on the wall and stop production.
However,the sasquatch and bigfoots have been spotted. WHY NOT THE 87 R AND X .....lol...

MAYBE HONDA KEEPS THEM IN AREA 51 !!!!

[whipit]

I wonder why any leftover 86/87 350x and 250R models did not end up like this 87 200x- with a factory retrofit quad conversion. I believe that is what we have here- unless this TRX200X , which was sold in some markets, notably mexico, was produced along side of the atc 200x and is a separate machine. it sure looks like a retrofit

didn't yamaha sell a bunch of retrofit Tri-Z quads in europe in 87-88??

http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2008%5C08%5C05%5Cbikepics-1376458-800.jpg

http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2008%5C08%5C05%5Cbikepics-1376455-800.jpg

[Cave Rider]

Also in regards to the 1987 atc 350x..that vin prefix belongs to a d-bike. It says JH2 not JH3 and assuming i read the number correctly,it does not exist # JH2MC1203HK000087 And as most of you know,JH2 designates a m/c not an ATC. Also if this was a good #,than it is # 87 off the line.(coinsedence ??) If im not reading the # correctly,please post it for me and I will run it on HONDA I.N. Thanx.

ps..nice quad conersion,very clean machine !!!

[mymint87]

Dean Kirsten has said that he rode an 87 250R Canadian model. I don't doubt that. I know that 87 ATC parts exist because one member here has an 87 ATC250R motor in his TRX (Check the article on teh front page if you haven't read it). We've got the 250R in Japan that has what appears to be the correct plastics and decals. I think there is no doubt they were produced. I guess my hang up is how many (If any) were released to the general public. Tht I'm not so sure about.



:postwhoreOMG:postwhoreyou flip flopping thrillbilly:lol::lol::lol:....I gotta get to work but I am sooooooooooo going to search and post links........... til your eyes bleed:lol::lol::lol:

[Cave Rider]

who ??? why ???

[rasorroad250r]

According to my Friend who still is a high up at Honda, Honda did not release a single 87 250R or 350X anywhere including Canada and Europe. What happened to them he does not know but they were not released to any distributor or dealer. This guy has some of the rarest of the rare Honda stuff and even he hasn't seen any of the 87's.

[Slingblade]

^^Cave Rider, You need do do a search on here and read. You have no idea of the worm can your opening. But I promise it will make for some interesting reading.. Search "Holy Grail" and enjoy.......

[scooterroo]

like i said, here we go again!

[Billy Golightly]

Don't start that 500R debate again here you freakin pelican rapist :lol: I Mean I know they made the 87 enough to ride, but did anyone in the public ever get one? Thats the real question.

[Cave Rider]

To all, As some of you may know,im new to this site. After all the crap i started,i thought it best to read some more on this site. I now realize how old these threads are..SORRY !! apparently i dont really have much more to say,because its already been said. Thats what i get for not doing my homework before i speak...how about i start familiarizing myself with this site and its people before i look like more of an asshole..hahaha...

[scooterroo]

ah, dont be so hard on yourself.

[Slingblade]

Welcome to the site, (sorry you had to come in by way of the hornet's nest) Post up some pics of your 87 and hang around. I'm sure you've got some good info we could all use. And don't give up the search, I personally would love to see one turn up.

[ezmoney1979]

At least your introduction wasn't "Hey my next door neighbor's daughters sisters uncle has an 87 250r, but he sold it for scrap the other day and I forgot to take a picture of it. But he got $23.71 for it and we bought Keystone Light." Thats what we typically get lol. Welcome to the site!

[ATC-Eric]

There are 87's!!!! I own an 87 R!!!! So there, debate is over. Want proof? Check out my sig.

[luke]

Anyone / everyone is entitled to make ther own opinion as to wether an 87 250R or 350X came off the "production" line, based on the evidence they are provided with, eye witness accounts, and infomation they have available to them.
I don't like the way minty pushes his opinion on to people on this site, we don't need to read a hundred quotes from Bill's past post's. Billy can have his say and minty can have his own, we don't all need to agree.
Maybe the 87's that were test rode were a bunch of moded 86's done for evaluation ? Maybe the brochure pic is one of them ?? Maybe the 87 never hit the production line's, Just the moded parts for the evaluation test's, factory riders and sales literature ?

[oldskool83]

whats funny is after all these years you'd think somone would have insider info like drawings or pics on what compainies were thinking of past 85. i was told long time ago the next year models is already started a year ahead of time at least, so by the time 86 was there they would of alread been working on 87s if not has designs past that. thats my guess.

alot of times a proto type is a good year ahead of a production type. but ya'd think somone from the enginerring department could of found this site by now and shead some light...i know where all my old designs and proto types go....sumone always can get their hands on that kinda stuff.

[Billy Golightly]

To all, As some of you may know,im new to this site. After all the crap i started,i thought it best to read some more on this site. I now realize how old these threads are..SORRY !! apparently i dont really have much more to say,because its already been said. Thats what i get for not doing my homework before i speak...how about i start familiarizing myself with this site and its people before i look like more of an asshole..hahaha...

Just wanted to make sure you knew my post was directed towards Mike (mymint87) and not you.

[beets442]

Sorry had to do it. Getting a :pics: of a real '87 R or X is like getting :pics: of Liberace eating pu**y, it just isn't gonna happen:lol:...Beets

[thestud25]

Sorry had to do it. Getting a :pics: of a real '87 R or X is like getting :pics: of Liberace eating pu**y, it just isn't gonna happen:lol:...Beets

Awesome! I couldn't have put it any better myself!

[SUPERBEAST]

Honda made an 87 250R, it just has 4 wheels

[mymint87]

To all, As some of you may know,im new to this site. After all the crap i started,i thought it best to read some more on this site. I now realize how old these threads are..SORRY !! apparently i dont really have much more to say,because its already been said. Thats what i get for not doing my homework before i speak...how about i start familiarizing myself with this site and its people before i look like more of an asshole..hahaha...

Nor was mine pointed at you...sorry...It's just this obsession almost to stalker levels I have with Billy Golightly (thrillbilly) and my need to remain forever in his rearveiw mirror waiting for him to contradict himself so I can rub it in his face for pure selfish satisfaction

[4cylinders]

hey, if you can access vin numbers, why not fab an 87 250r vin and check it out. take an 86 vin, change to 87, add 100 and run it.