Just picked up a Yamaha 200E (I think). Rough project.. Any suggestions?

[Tommy2]

While my Wife was out of town I dragged this pile of bolts and broken parts home ( I could really use a truck :D ):

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Was told it ran, but has a huge hole in the stator cover/shaft cover. Motor turns over. Gave $50 for it. Obviously it's been beaten pretty well to heck.. Not really sure if it's worth salvaging. Missing quite a bit of stuff.

I think it's a 200E shaft drive (no reverse). Any way I can tell from the motor whether it's a 200 or 225? Do some of the 225 motor parts interchange? I've found a couple people locally with 225 stator covers I need, but not 100% it will fit the 200 (haven't compared them side by side).

What I'd really like to do is just yank the old motor and swap in a 6.5horse HF motor. But the shaft drive would make that pretty difficult. Possible to convert this rear end to a chain drive? Or does anyone have a chain drive rear end for a 200 they want to sell?

I appreciate any advice!

Thanks,
-Tom

[Yamaha_Rules69]

The 225dx had rear suspension. I believe the motors should be nearly identical. I wonder what happened where the cover was repaired - did the drive gear shoot out of there?!!? I dont know if the rear end from a chain drive model would just bolt on - I think the frames are different.

[Tommy2]

Good to know if the frames are different.. Yea, I have no idea what in the world happened to the side cover. I removed it when I got the wheeler home. Everything looked fine inside. One of the ring gears for the shaft drive is a bit worn, but nothing terribly out of the ordinary. The aluminum covers seem pretty fragile though..Not exactly great strength for an off road vehicle.

Wish I could figure out how to convert it to a chain.. Might be a lot easier and cheaper than trying to make this motor work. I'll try to get the whole stripped down to the frame and do some brainstorming.

[MonroeMike]

The 200e/225 generator covers have the same part number.
http://www.xtremeusa.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=2517&category=ATVs&make=YAMAHA&year=1984&fveh=68
http://www.xtremeusa.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=2556&category=ATVs&make=YAMAHA&year=1984&fveh=69

The front fender and what's left of the headlight plastic, is from a 225.

Manual
http://72.52.143.80/~trikes/ytm200&225-fm200_clymer_manual.pdf

[D-dub]

The bearing for the driven gear on the drive shaft rests right behind the damage on that cover. When the bearing starts to pile up it wears holes in the gear cover. (I currently have this same problem with my 200e shaft) There is actually 2 seperate covers there Jb welded together. If you want to part it out I would like the driven gear and shaft that lies behind that cover.

[Tommy2]

Hmm. The guy I talked to today said if it has a 1 piece tank, and 1 piece seat/rear fender it's a 200. He mentioned the shock as well. I don't think theres a rear shock.. (again, haven't looked at it much yet.

Good to know about the side covers. If I decide to try to salvage the motor, I'll go ahead and buy one.

[Tommy2]

The bearing for the driven gear on the drive shaft rests right behind the damage on that cover. When the bearing starts to pile up it wears holes in the gear cover. (I currently have this same problem with my 200e shaft)

Ah... I'll be sure to take a close look at that. That would make sense.

[D-dub]

If you want to sell parts off it, there is a few things I could use.

[muthey]

actually monroe mike I have front fenders from both 225 and 200 and they have the same front fenders, also looking at my head light covers there is very little difference in them, and tommy2 if you need rear fenders I have them in yellow not sure on the exact condition of them as they have been sitting in a corner from when I took them off, but I think they were in good cond with no cracks, will have to check next time I'm at my friends shop.also I'm pretty certain we have a shaft cover there as well and I have a spare fuel tank here at my house, the tank plastics are in great shape as well. so let me know if you are interested in any of that I have listed and there is plenty more, just not enough time to type it all out I have the seat plastic as well and a pattern for the cover as I just made a new one for mine. If it runs dont part it they a great machines just have a noisy motor.

[MonroeMike]

The fenders are different.

200 is more rounded - louvers are flush.
http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/697588/

225 has more of a angle - louvers are out.
http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/122772/

The 225 headlight cover has side vents.

[Tommy2]

Hmm.. Now I think I have enough parts!

Found another one with a chain drive rear end for $50 on CL. Gave $40 for it. Rougher than I had hoped.. Especially because I drove 2 hours each way for it! The motor is froze. Most parts looks to be there. Been sitting outside, so everything is fairly rusty.

So now that I have a chain drive I think rigging up a HF motor shouldn't be such a challenge. The main question may be whether I should go with the 6.5horse, or step up to the 11 or 13horse motors with electric start. (around $300 I believe)


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I don't understand what they had rigged up on the rear end.. Hopefully nothing is terribly screwed up. Turns freely, brake works, etc..

[Yamaha_Rules69]

It looks like they tried to make a chain tensioner to me.

[Tommy2]

Yea, that's what the previous owner was thinking. No rear suspension is probably gonna make this sucker a back breaker. Not sure if it'd be worth trying to spring the seat somehow.

[Yamaha_Rules69]

They actually arent terrible to ride, even though they (the 200) has no rear suspension, the front suspension makes a huge difference compared to nothing at all. Dont air the rear tires to the max, just a couple psi also makes for a little smoother ride. They actually made a bolt on rear suspension kit back in the day for it, but trying to find one would be like finding an alien, or the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, or the real elvis.

[code200k]

cool. and hey if you want another ytm 200k buy mine for 50 bucks. where in upstate ny are you?

[Tommy2]

Sending PM

[Tommy2]

Maybe I should try to use a snowmobile motor? Supposedly a regular centrifigul clutch may not work well in this application, a torque converter may be needed and snowmobile motors use them.

[D-dub]

Your hardcore, haulin wheelers in the back of the Buick like that!!

[Tommy2]

For the last one, the motor was in the passanger seat :) I've hauled tons of stuff with this car.

[oldskool83]

you remind me of me lol....gotta get it home somehow. i had 2 trike in the back of a 2door civic once...2 weeks ago i had 800lbs of dirt in the truck!

[Tommy2]

Alright..After more thought, I think everyone is right. I should try to fix up the one motor.

Looking at it more closely, the stator cover is fine - it's actually just the shaft cover that broke. I still can't figure out why it broke though. All the bearings inside look/feel/turn fine. Maybe something broke it from the outside..but I'd like to get it figured out before putting the new cover on.. Maybe the cover just gradually wears out.

Or maybe I could try to swap the chain parts from the other motor and use it instead..but I imagine the motors are too different. Haven't eye-balled them too closely yet.


May try to get the motor pulled today.

[jrwebb8324]

I would say that if everything looks fine inside the motor, the trike was probaly rolled and bounced off a rock or something, putting the hole in the motor.

[greythorn3]

heck yours is pretty nice, i just picked one up for 60$ i think its a 200 the guys said he thinks its 125 but it has electric start. front ssupension, and pullstart, with no rear suspension and shaft drive, also says 196cm on the cylinder so i think its a version of the 200 thats hacked to heck.. runs good

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/8803/yamaha3wheeler001.jpg (http://img862.imageshack.us/i/yamaha3wheeler001.jpg/)

[Backfire]

just gotta lift off the pegs and avoid rocks :L








heck yours is pretty nice, i just picked one up for 60$ i think its a 200 the guys said he thinks its 125 but it has electric start. front ssupension, and pullstart, with no rear suspension and shaft drive, also says 196cm on the cylinder so i think its a version of the 200 thats hacked to heck.. runs good

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/8803/yamaha3wheeler001.jpg (http://img862.imageshack.us/i/yamaha3wheeler001.jpg/)

yeah, that's a...different version of a 200E, but thats definitely one.

[brd812]

Thats a lazy boy wheelie machine there. ape hangers and all

[greythorn3]

i wonder if it will wheelie, anyone know if these things got reverse?

[greythorn3]

anyone??????

[greythorn3]

sold my 250r today so that was a little depressing.