Orders for 1986-87 atc200x headlight shells. UPDATE HEADCOUNT needed.

[honda200x1987]

I have decided to go with MAIER plastics to have the 1986-87 ATC200X headlight shell reproduced. They seem to have proven to be a good quality and they will not be painted. FIRST off the colors will be FIGHTING RED not the dark red that MAIER normally uses so they will be much brighter in color so they will be very nice and they will also come WHITE. Now.. this is going to cost me a few hundred dollars plus just for the mold and i have to give them the oem honda shell to go by and they will be sold exclusively to me. This has never been done for this model and I think it is very sought after. HOW MANY OF YOU ARE WILLING TO BUY?? I NEED A HEAD COUNT HERE ON 3WW. The price will be $75.00 shipping is free anywhere. All I need right now is a head count on this, all I want to do is break even . LET ME KNOW GUYS!!!! Below is a sample of the "fighting red" color that the shells will come in ,, much better than the darker red that other Maier atc plastics have now and I think this color is much closer to OEM. These shells should look very much like the originals maybe better, I specifically ask Maier if they would make them as close as they can.

[honda200x1987]

Let me know if you are interested guy's, just post a yes. I'm just curious of how many of you are interested in these Bezels. I am having them made regardless, I am sure to sell atleast 20 here and eBay and that should pay for the mold not to mention I have to order 50 units. When they are complete I will post them in the Classifides section. I think this will be a great acomplishment. One other thing , it is possible that I might start out at a lower price if I get enough interest...

[honda200x1987]

These will also fit the 1986 ATC250R , the headlight units have the same part number as the 86-87 200X and they will strap right on.

[Dirtcrasher]

That is one tough piece to vac form, can Maier do it for sure?

Brad can express how much a mold costs, and then how difficult it is to recoup your investment.

[honda200x1987]

I have to wait till next week to speak with jeff lewis at maier about this. I do know they have made the 1985 ATC250R headlight bezels so I think they can.

[Tri-Z 250]

PM me when your ready to go...color?? either is fine.

[SeaBass8]

Mark me down for a white one as long as the quality is as good as the 205r shell they sell.

thanks for doing this :beer

[honda200x1987]

They will be as good or better than the 1985 ATC250R shell that maier has produced thus it will also be in fighting red! White, carbon fiber etc.
Mark me down for a white one as long as the quality is as good as the 205r shell they sell.

thanks for doing this :beer

[honda200x1987]

Ok guy's, here is the latest, I bought a good 86 200X headlight Bezel that is in good shape from Pete . I should get it within a week and then I will clean and polish it and immediately ship it out for reproduction. Now here is the kicker, instead of having Maier to produce it, I am going with Fullbore Inovations to reproduce this shell because they will do it for free and we can buy directly from them. Initially Maier wanted me to pay for the Mold and buy atleast 50 shells which total costs would be in the thousands for me. This way It costs me nothing and I think they can make a very nice repro. I am sure that some of you are familiar with them but here is a link to their site to show what they can do. http://www.fullboreinnovations.com/page4/

[NESC104]

Does FULLBORE have any intentions of possibly doing fenders for trikes? Were they hesitant to agree to do the shells? They used to have a ATC250R rear fender listed but it's not mentioned on their site anymore.

[dirtwheels]

Sounds good. Fullbore makes some nice plastics for the TRX's. Hopefully these headlight shells will be as good. I would be down for one if they came out decent. Any idea on colors? Are they going to do red for now? White would be cool too.

[honda200x1987]

If fullbore made ATC250R rear fenders before, they must be made to order. If you read the description on their fenders some are made to order like the TRX250R. They will come in all colors but to order i am sure, I should have some more info in 2-3 weeks after they get my donor shell. The 200x shell will be an easy one to mold with the exception on the headlight brackets. I am sure they will find a solution other than using ribbets. I f you look at Maier's new 1985 ATC350X shell it has ribbets on the side of the case for the headlight brackets. There is a way to work around that. " The bezels will ALSO strap right on to the 1986 ATC250R because the headlight assembly/lense is exactly the same with the same Honda part numbers. The original shells/bezels are very similar on the two models"
Sounds good. Fullbore makes some nice plastics for the TRX's. Hopefully these headlight shells will be as good. I would be down for one if they came out decent. Any idea on colors? Are they going to do red for now? White would be cool too.

[miajosh]

if they are that good ans all plastic ill take a white

[dksix]

If everything goes a planned with the rest of the rebuild, I'd take one in red or white but would prefer black if that was one of the color options. 2 to 3 weeks would be about the time I would get to order the plastic. I'm going to get it running and back together to make sure everything else is good before I spend allot on cosmetics.

[honda200x1987]

I just want to keep everyone updated . I will receive the 1986-87 ATC200X DONOR headlight case/bezel that I ordered from Pete any day now. I just got a another responce from FULLBORE asking if I had shipped out the shell to them yet. They are eager to reproduce it and I do not have to pay for tooling which is GREAT!. Once they get the shell, I will get a price per shell and lead time of when it will be available for purchase. I do know they will come in red,white but will be made to order for special colors.

[ATC-RYDA]

i'm in for a red one !! cant wait 2 replace my cracked shell !

[honda200x1987]

I am confident fullbore will do a great job in color ,shape and fit, unlike maier's dark red color they will be much brighter red and should look awsome..
i'm in for a red one !! cant wait 2 replace my cracked shell !

[0GravityMX]

ill take one!

[Jerm1179]

put me down for a white one

[honda200x1987]

To cover tooling costs, FULLBORE needs to know just how many are interested. I have counted about 30. The more the interest the less cost for each shell. The estimate from FULLBORE to run 30-50 replicas is nearly $70 per bezel. If there were 100 people commited the cost would be $50 per bezel and more would be even cheaper. I am going to give them a call for more details in the morning. NOTE...IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING A NEW HEADLIGHT BEZEL FOR THE 1986-87 ATC200X PLEASE REPLY TO THIS THREAD.

[0GravityMX]

i want one

[Erics350x]

Im interested.

[Tri-Z 250]

Come on guys lets maket it easy on the guy: Comand C, Comand V(copie,paste add # and name)

1. honda200x1987
2. OGravityMX
3.Erics350x
4. Tri-Z 250

[Mosh]

I merged this thread with the existing thread.
This should make it easier to keep track of who wanted what.

When doing large group orders like this, IMO it is easier to keep everything in one thread related to the particular part.
Both for the organizer and the buyers.

[NESC104]

COUNT ME IN FOR ONE.

1. honda200x1987
2. OGravityMX
3. Erics350x
4. Tri-Z 250
5. NESC104

[honda200x1987]

I just got another E-mail from Grant at Fullbore. He will let me know very soon on the EXACT cost per headlight bezel and time frame for availability so,, I will not be collecting payment for your order until then. I will private messege everyone interested when the time comes and you will pay me and I will do one big order at once, that's the way Grant prefers it. You can order red or white or even both and like I said I will let you guys know the exact cost to you and time frame of availablility very soon! Thanks for the merge Mosh!

[200x350xtriz250]

Any other colors or just red and white?

[honda200x1987]

Red and white will be the popular colors but they can do black or possibly blue, cinnamon orange, silver metallic and yellow etc,. When you order give me the color you want and I will check for availability.
Any other colors or just red and white?

[vintagemotorsports]

I will take a couple of red ones just to have in stock for any future restos

[Meat-BoX]

Im down for a Red one. Just let me know ahead of time so I can get money in order.
That means I will need some new shrouds to make her look all new. Paint the tank and she would look real good. Maybe for x-mas for myself.

[Fungo Wizard]

I would be interested in a white one and possibly a red one.

[dirtwheels]

I would be interested in a blue one if the copy looks good, and maybe white.

[3wheelerking]

i will take a red one

[honda200x1987]

200x350xtriz250 has new shrouds and I will let you know soon, be ready within 2 weeks to pay. Thanks!! This will help us all in future repro parts!
Im down for a Red one. Just let me know ahead of time so I can get money in order.
That means I will need some new shrouds to make her look all new. Paint the tank and she would look real good. Maybe for x-mas for myself.

[honda200x1987]

Repros should look supurb! I think we are going to be satisfied, I asked to make them close to oem honda shape as possible.
I would be interested in a blue one if the copy looks good, and maybe white.

[0GravityMX]

any idea when some pics will be avilable?

[250rs-neva-die]

Count me in for a red one. I am ready with paypal whenever the final total is figured out. Just send me a pm and ill send the money. thank you very much for getting this all organized.

[honda200x1987]

*******UPDATE****** It is a GO for the headlight bezels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. I need 50 orders at $70 each plus $10 shipping to make this happen. Once we have 50 shells ordered then the headlight bezels will be complete in 4 weeks!!!!! I will combine shipping if you order more than one!!!!!! Please respond to this thread if you want one and they will be in any color you want! I am doing a headcount now..

[ATC Dude]

I'll take one red one I guess. Send me a PM or something with when and where to send the money.

[honda200x1987]

I accept paypal,, My paypal I.D. is stevo12366@yahoo.com When you pay with paypal please selct the "gift" option under personal. This way you send payment to me as gift then i will not get charged paypal fees for each of you. Pay $80 shipped for 1 bezel of your color and if buy more than 1 shipping is combined,, for examp: 2 bezels $150 shipped , 3 bezels $220,etc . Please note:: Fullbore is charging me 70 dollars per bezel plus shipping for all, I am NOT making a profit. If I do not reach 50 paypal orders then I will refund you in full but I am confident I will make it. I have to have 50 to make this work and pleas4e allow 4 weeks for complete production of the repros after I get 50 orders,, Thanks in advance guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dirtcrasher]

FIFTY!!?? We can barely get 10 guys to fork out the $$ for group buys once it gets down to "pay day"............

[Mosh]

That is pretty steep minimum number Especially for a small nitch 86-87 200x group.
250R I would think 50 would be no problem. But also remember, these 86 shells will work on a 250R also..So reaching that number may be realistic so the R guys can get some color options.
Along with the pricing. I am almost wondering if mold cost fronting, would have been a better option.


Some pics would be great, and there is still no definate answer...Will there be rivets for the brackets or not? I know the last it was said it was all speculation.
But unless they have injection molding capabilites, I wonder how they are working around the rivets?

[200x350xtriz250]

I'll get the list started but before I pay I need to see pics of a Fullbore shell and 48 other names on the list.

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[SeaBass8]

47 more needed and it would be nice to see a pic

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[honda200x1987]

This part will be very sought after once word gets out and I think we can do it guys, I have a few that have already paid not to mention there are some that are buying MORE than one shell. I myself will buy a few just to get up to the number we need. I will negotiate with Grant to get the numbers down if I have to. ******THIS IS A NO WORRIES PAYPAL PURCHASE,, IF WE DON'T GET ENOUGH FOR A REPRODUCTION RUN I WILL SEND EVERYONE A REFUND!!! Money order is ok to. I am going to advertise in other sectors of the internet also, we should have enough in a few weeks or less. It does not have to be fifty people buying just fifty sets ordered. Like Mosh said they will fit the 1986 ATC250R and the headlight assemblies are exactly the same as the 86-87 200X with the same part numbers.
FIFTY!!?? We can barely get 10 guys to fork out the $$ for group buys once it gets down to "pay day"............

[atc350xer]

I agree, pics would be nice!

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[ATC Dude]

5 down, 45 to go.

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[Jerm1179]

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[honda200x1987]

For those of you who are wanting to see the new repros,,,You will not see them until we reach fifty ordered shells so a production run can be made. FullBore will do a great job I am sure, just take a look at their plastics. They will be a much much brighter red color than maier and very shiney. They will come in red, white,blue,black and silver at the same price for sure.. if you are wanting a different color other than what I stated please let me know and I will ask Grant at FullBore. Jerm1179 has already asked about carbon fiber and I will let him know by tomorrow, thanks Jeremy and others who have already paid!

[atc350xer]

How close are the red and white to Honda's colors?

[vintagemotorsports]

this is kind of a weird way of doing this , typically if you are reproducing an item you pay to have a mold made then run a sample so you can critique it and if things need to be fixed or changed it can be done before a large run is made , the way this is being done if you collect 50 orders witch i can tell you wont probably happen have them made and they are not what people thought they were going to be it will be kind of a mess. with companys that already produced an item like maier and stopped making that particular item and you get a group buy people know what they are going to be getting because they remember the item before . this is totally different . I personally think the only way to do this is one guy fronts the cost of the mold has a sample made and fine tune it so its a desirable product then punch out a bunch and sell them to the board members and online for a slight profit to offset his upfront costs , there are too many unknowns and alot of assuming here Im pretty sure they will be perfect, Im pretty sure the color will be dead on , Im pretty sure they can make the bezel without haveing riveted on brackets for the lights not trying to bash here I do stuff like this all the time people are going to want to see a product before they buy my 2 cents

[dirtwheels]

I agree with all of the above. At the very least, if he gets the 3.5k together for the 50 run, fullbore should produce the first sample and send it to him, and allow for one round of tweaks before making the 50. At that point, it will also allow pics to be posted of it. Nevertheless, I support the efforts and I am down for a white one. Hope it gets made.

[honda200x1987]

FullBore will not do the carbon fiber but they will do green also. They cannot show me a sample but they just sent me an email stating they will be as close to the donor shell as phisically possible with their process, it will be the same standards as all other FullBore products. 50 does sound like alot but if we can get atleast 30 or more then they can work with me on a run. Total cost for the first run is $3500 and that's for 50 shells so I need all the help I can get. Yes I could pay 3500 up front but that's a alot of cash for a guy like me, I am just trying to get a much needed part reproduced and beleive me guys FullBore will do a good job on this I am sure. If I fail to come up with enough on a group buy,,rest assured I will refund your $80 plus paypal fees . It would be a shame though because they can make a nice duplicate of this bezel.

[Dirtcrasher]

"as phisically possible with their process" Thats the key for me. I have a stash of a dozen 350X or 200X headlights that are 100% as far as mounting/color/etc. If they can't do it all or tell you that EVERY tab will be in place, you'll have some unhappy 80$ members on your hands.

I DO hope it works out for you and they are near spot on. Once I see one, I may buy one (as well as many others), if I have the cash.....

[honda200x1987]

This is bashing is uncalled for I am tempted to refund everyone that has already paid right now because this is discouraging to others who were willing to buy and now they will not. NO it will not be an identical shell with every "tab" you say like the headlight mounting brackets but the entire outer shell will be close enough I am sure. The only part of the shell that MIGHT be a little bit different is the mounting for the headlight BUT they will be hidden so who cares . right? There will be no ribbets and will look just fine, FullBore makes great plastics. This is cheaper for those wanting a NEW not used headlight that is shiny and just about any color you want. You say you have a stash of a dozen of these headlight bezels? Well they are used and if you have new ones ,,well then they would have to pay big $$ to get one. Come on it's only 80 bucks shipped and if I front the full 3500 to do it myself then they will cost more I assure you . One other thing after this batch is done then they will do quanities of 5-10 for $50 each.
"as phisically possible with their process" Thats the key for me. I have a stash of a dozen 350X or 200X headlights that are 100% as far as mounting/color/etc. If they can't do it all or tell you that EVERY tab will be in place, you'll have some unhappy 80$ members on your hands.

I DO hope it works out for you and they are near spot on. Once I see one, I may buy one (as well as many others), if I have the cash.....

[Billy Golightly]

Guys, lets not get out of control here. I'm sure every precaution will be made to ensure happy customers. That being said, if YOU aren't happy with the terms of the group buy (Which appear to have been pretty transparent here from what I've seen) then in your own best interest, you should probably steer clear. If you've read the terms and understand the way its being done, and want to participate, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't...

[SeaBass8]

Dont take these comments the wrong way believe me we all want this to happen. I have no problem laying out 70$ for one I think people just dont want to get disappointed.

[honda200x1987]

I have set a deadline of WED October the 20TH for the group buy and that is 2 weeks from today- October the 6TH. I will do my best to negotiate with FullBore on the numbers we need for production and search for other intrest in this product in other sectors to get the number we need. If I fail to come up with enough for the GROUP BUY then you will be refunded for your full amount paid rest assured.

[Dirtcrasher]

How is being realistic bashing you?? I've been here a long time and seen allot of things made and sold; It's impossible to please everyone.

Many people HAVE NOTHING and will happily mount anything even close to there 86/87; It is a tough shell to find...........

We have guys that use epoxy and bungy cords to keep their fenders/seats on so plenty of people should be happy.

Others may find fault in them, who knows. There's no sample to look at and that may be your hold up.

Just ask Brad about buying molds and trying to get the $$ out of the guys who were "IN" on the group buy and his shrouds are excellent, but very easy to make too.............

[vintagemotorsports]

good idea dirtcrasher (steve), honda200x1987 I wouldnt take these coments as bashing take it as the experienced guys helping you out . that might not be a bad idea if you or someone wanted to negotiate with full bore a price to have the mold made and if they are vac forming It shouldnt be more than $1000 tops , buy the mold and have them make a sample up , then you have a tangible item to test mount take pictures of etc and then take orders from there , if you have custom parts made from maier thats how they do it in fact i dont even think they charge you for the mold till you are happy with the sample , just trying to help

[Mosh]

I am not trying to rain on the parade at all, and from the onset, I have tried to offer help and suggestions both public and privately.
I just simply wanted to know about the rivets.
I have had molds made, and we paid the mold money upfront, and had a prototype run. There was also some refinements to the prototypes that had to be done for durability issues before the final order was filled.
Once interested people saw what the finished product looked like, then the orders flew in. We had folks on board at the beginning no matter what, but when they had a pic, more people signed up for the order.

Now personally, I think having the mold made and then ordering would be cheaper in the long run and get more people interested. Maybe not right up front out of your pocket, but it is what it is.

Now for those that don't understand about the Rivets..
Currently, on these style headlights there is no AFTERMARKET company in the plastic biz, that makes these without rivets or screws holding the headlight brackets on. (At least that I am aware of).

Now if Fullbore found a way, that is awesome!
I cuurently have a headlight shroud at a mold maker, but have put it on hold because I dont want rivets or screws in it that can be seen.


Now worst case scenario these will be how they attach the headlight brackets.(Unless Fullbore has a solution)
Look at the pics below.


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m40/cosmicquads/Cfliteforpb.jpg


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m40/cosmicquads/Cfstickersforpb.jpg

The shrouds have been made from 3 pieces that are riveted to the shell.

I have thought long and hard about a way around the rivets, and I have some ideas.
Keep in mind, I do not work with mold making or plastics, but I do have a small idea of the process.

It would be nice to see if someone can do something about that.

But either way, I would be happy with the rivets if I had to have them.
Of course I am not a hard core resto guy..I am just a rider that needs a headlight.

[Dirtcrasher]

All ya need are those blind rivets/grommets that are threaded on both sides, external and internal with a large OD, in stainless or aluminum...........

Those little guys would be like a 10-32 thread grommet instead of a rivet that squeezes and may cause cracking. The rivet could be tightened and loctited to hold them in place.

They may even have them at McMaster, they have a name and would look nice if you had to go that route..........

[3wheelerking]

will you take a money order if so i need your mailing address thanks
i will take a red one

[dirtwheels]

honda200x1987. How is the list going so far?

[honda200x1987]

I'm sorry to say the list is too short for a group buy thus far. It looks like I will have to issue a refund to those who have paid including you Vincent. Although I will wait till the deadline to see if more would pay upfront. It would be a very small investement for each person to get this going. There are too many who are sceptical about the finished product and I can say I don't blame them. FullBore does a Hi-Definition Deep Draw Vacuum-Thermoforming that will help to form the headlight brackets and oem shape of the original. I hate to say it but the guys here are right, we need a full blown sample mounted on a 200X with detailed pictures for sales can be made it seems. One way or another this will be done.

[dirtwheels]

If we can find out what the mould cost is, perhaps we can pitch in just to get that and a sample done. If not, there has to be a prototyping shop that can make a mould to the specifications that fullbore or someplace similar like DC plastics would need for there equipment. Anyway, I'm not stressed out about the refund, so leave it sit for now.

[200x350xtriz250]

So any word on a sample part? It seems strange that they would make the tooling but not make a part.

[honda200x1987]

It turns out they did not make a mold but got an estimate on the tooling costs and lead time of 4 weeks,they will not reproduce the headlight bezel unless an order of 40-50 has been placed. It is a real shame though, they said they can make this shell to the OEM shape and it will meet the standards of all their plastics. It would be best if someone could front the 3500 to make these and display a sample like you said Brad. 3500 is alot of $$ for me but it would be nice if we all pitched in to buy one or two upfront. I personally beleive they can do a great job , from the looks of their other plastics it does seem very possible and they assured me that they will. Maybe I can see what a mold cost will be and have them do a sample then this could get started..
So any word on a sample part? It seems strange that they would make the tooling but not make a part.

[honda200x1987]

I just e-mailed them asking for tooling costs and a sample run, I will get a response by tomorrow evening.

[200x350xtriz250]

Thanx for the update! Thanx for continuing to try to get this done for everyone.

[honda200x1987]

It looks like FullBore is out of the question now, they are wanting 2500 just for the tooling costs. Then it would be a price of $50 per shell and selling them for $70 , I would have to sell 125 shells to break even or atleast 40 pre orders at $80 shipped. Maier may be the only option because they would be much much cheaper and require only 25 orders, I will look into it.

[Tri-Z 250]

So...the October 20th deadline is now out, correct?

[honda200x1987]

Yes but Maier is the next option, we will see what the mold and price per shell will be and go from there. I will refund the pre paid orders for the FullBore for now,, sorry guys but I am sure maier can get this done.
So...the October 20th deadline is now out, correct?

[Tri-Z 250]

cool thanks for the effort, will keep an eye out.

[f22parts]

Hey I really need one for my 1985 200x. Can you help me? dave

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^not sure if you noticed but this thread is nearly 2 years old. Nothing ever came of it. Best bet is the classified section or ebay for a used one. There were a lot of 83-85 200x's sold so there should be a lot more headlight shells still out there.