Symphony Of Construction - Project "FunTen" [Archive]

honda250sx

05-18-2010, 08:37 PM

Just like the end of any good rebuild comes the dawning of another. I recently finished my Tri-z and prior I spent time looking for something new to build. Just so happens this sucker was local, and darn near free. I have spent to much time looking at Mike's (shortline10) builds. They have consumed my almost complete internet usage! Haha. Honestly though, it's been a definite inspiration.

Project "FunTen"

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN0356.jpg

Tires look to be mint... for the round file that is.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN0357.jpg

Someone graciously removed a lot of parts and let it sit outside for a LONG time.
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Exhaust header all but gone.
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The only real usable piece to this puzzle.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN0359.jpg

honda250sx

05-18-2010, 08:43 PM

Plans for the build :

Aftermarket frame
Complete 110 motor rebuild with rocky bigbore piston kit
rocky aftermarket cam
rocky intake
22mm Mikuni Carb
SL tranny shaft conversion to remove hi-lo gear box
SL manual clutch conversion
Aftermarket front end
Aftermarket exhaust
Aftermarket rear axle.

Started to gather goodies for this one too.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN3936.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN3951.jpg

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And the correct tools for teardown!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN3954.jpg

buck14

05-18-2010, 09:20 PM

looks good i spend lots of time looking at shortline10's builds too. ill be keeping an eye on this one.

Dirtcrasher

05-18-2010, 09:22 PM

Jeff, the one I had a motor from was an 85. I believe it fits your year.....

Anyhow, I'll have to dig around but I know I had the CDI cover Airbox, other odds and ends.

You can have anything I find.

Looks like it'll be a sweet build :D

Yamahondaman

05-18-2010, 09:28 PM

HONDA_ATC_FREAK

05-18-2010, 09:43 PM

This looks like it's going to be a sweet build it's looking a lot like a shortline10 already with such high quality.

Mr_RPM

05-18-2010, 09:53 PM

i have the same piston, going to be doing a similar build on my 110 soon. race ya when we are both done, lol hahahaha =P that would be sweet though

shortline10

05-18-2010, 09:55 PM

Nice , look at all those NOS parts :drool:

Hope you got the correct clutch plates , The sl90 are different than the atc's.
LMK if you need help :)

honda250sx

05-18-2010, 10:07 PM

GOOD GOD JEFF............... if this THING turn's out like your TRI-Z ....... OMG !!! let me know what's needed in Stainless and 6061 !!! there is NONE of those thing's down here ... like the 350-x's !!!!

Bound to Ronnie. I can't contain myself. I like stuff looking SWEEEEEET. Holllllarrrrrr fire up the FANUC! We need 17-4 STAINLESS!!!

honda250sx

05-18-2010, 10:09 PM

Nice , look at all those NOS parts :drool:

Hope you got the correct clutch plates , The sl90 are different than the atc's.
LMK if you need help :)

Mike. They are incorrect. I just learned that they were different myself. LOL. Bummer! Need any plates? I bet you have STUFF to trade LOL.

You know I will need help. Clinical HELP. I will be talking to you soon for sure.

shortline10

05-18-2010, 10:18 PM

Mike. They are incorrect. I just learned that they were different myself. LOL. Bummer! Need any plates? I bet you have STUFF to trade LOL.

You know I will need help. Clinical HELP. I will be talking to you soon for sure.

I here ya on the Clinical HELP part LOL .

Xpress

05-18-2010, 11:22 PM

Are those blue fenders aftermarket?

atc350xer

05-18-2010, 11:58 PM

Are those blue fenders aftermarket?

I'd say factory... aftermarket fenders don't have a trunk

atcrider1

05-19-2010, 08:11 AM

Are those blue fenders aftermarket?

its a christmas special 110

honda250sx

05-19-2010, 09:29 AM

Nope. Not an Xmas special. This was a regular model.

riverrat

05-19-2010, 09:48 AM

Why would you want to get rid of the high-lo gear box? I love mine.

honda250sx

05-19-2010, 12:30 PM

Well my goal was to turn it into a racer. The SL 90 tranny shaft allows you to do so. Racers didn't need the hi-lo gearbox.

Why would you want to get rid of the high-lo gear box? I love mine.

Mr_RPM

05-19-2010, 01:03 PM

Why would you want to get rid of the high-lo gear box? I love mine.

i agree. as much of a racer it will ever be a low gear ratio is always handy.

honda250sx

05-19-2010, 01:46 PM

Well you guys can keep it. I'll be removing mine. If I need low gear I can ride my sx.

riverrat

05-19-2010, 02:15 PM

Cool. I don't know too much about racing 110's. Are you going to race it? Or just be retro with it?

honda250sx

05-19-2010, 04:41 PM

Cool. I don't know too much about racing 110's. Are you going to race it? Or just be retro with it?

For me its about building things and making them new more so than riding. Although riding them is awesome too. I just like redoing just about anything. I do machine repair for a living.

motoman1012002

05-19-2010, 05:03 PM

the 90/110 are some of the funnest bikes to ride

Mr_RPM

05-19-2010, 08:14 PM

thats cool, i think its just as fun to build them then it is to ride them. have fun and good luck =)

honda250sx

05-25-2010, 04:33 PM

Spent some time in the shop today. I had never seen this SL90 tranny shaft conversion done. Heck I didn't know how it was done or anything until Shortline posted about it. So with his posts and a couple extra pictures oh how his left side cover was cut out I set out to cut mine for my motor. Didn't turn out bad at all. I have one hole that needs to be filled in. I use a product called LABMETAL when repairing things for powdercoat. It will work perfect for this application.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN0369.jpg

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motoman1012002

05-25-2010, 04:43 PM

what year is this bike I just pick up an 83 to start

honda250sx

05-25-2010, 04:49 PM

84 engine. Thats about all that will be original by the time I am done lol

shortline10

05-25-2010, 05:01 PM

Looks good Jeff :)

honda250sx

05-25-2010, 05:05 PM

Thanks to you Mike. Glad you are around here!

scottp597

05-25-2010, 08:56 PM

Ahhhh 110's, my first atv of any kind was a kawasaki 110. Hope you build turns out great - have fun!

honda250sx

05-25-2010, 10:24 PM

Thanks. Me too. I am really looking forward to doing this build.

honda250sx

06-05-2010, 02:39 PM

Finally acquired all the needed hard parts for the manual clutch conversion. Blasted up all the parts to get them ready for refinishing. I went to work and got the seal I needed for the SL90 tranny shaft conversion as well. 37x20x7 TC style seal.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN0370.jpg

shortline10

06-05-2010, 04:03 PM

Wow those parts cleaned up really nice . Good luck .

honda250sx

06-05-2010, 05:12 PM

Thanks Mike. I have an exceptionally nice glass beader that I do everything in. Keep an eye on your paypal this week!

Vealmonkey

06-05-2010, 06:21 PM

shortline10

06-05-2010, 06:31 PM

Thanks Mike. I have an exceptionally nice glass beader that I do everything in. Keep an eye on your paypal this week!

Ok no problem .
I have another one of these conversions i'm doing for a customer . I guess the word is out every one wants one LOL .

honda250sx

06-05-2010, 10:21 PM

Pat let me know I got just about any seal you'd ever need in stock.

Dirtcrasher

06-05-2010, 11:09 PM

^ Did you get the pics I sent you?? Perfect cylinder, no fin damage and the CDI cover is here somewhere!! It's all yours bud :beer

Can you ship me a 30 pack?? :lol:

honda250sx

06-05-2010, 11:13 PM

No but I can send you cash lol

atc350xer

06-05-2010, 11:37 PM

Every time I see your thread title, Megadeth starts thumping in my head :lol:

honda250sx

06-05-2010, 11:55 PM

Finally someone gets the title

Dirtcrasher

06-06-2010, 12:02 AM

I really need to get a couple of those seals. I've sort of been putzing around with modding one of my sidecovers and I need to get one of my parts engines apart so I can scam all the bits out of it I need. I've been fitting alot of bits on my trusty old nicholson frame and you guys have been motivating me to get a little more serious with this. Digging bits out of hiding. I work on too many things at one time though. But if I get stuck on one project, I just switch projects.

PAT, I can get you just about ANY spring backed dual lip, seal. I think Jeff went to the same place :naughty: Just wait until you need a bunch for everything so the shipping isn't a waste!

JEFF - I was just hoping you got those pics. I guess the odd 70 motor I had came with a kick and a pull and a clutch pivot on the front verticle?? It may be a CT7970/90?? IDK - But, I did find the complete 110 motor on my shelf and let me know when to split it. You owe me nothing....... (I thin that F*&^&^%$#@! neighbors Golden RAT took my friggen gloves you gave me!!) I loved those farkers!! I can't find the pricks and I always wore them!! The cylinder should be perfect for you.

Shortline would know :D

honda250sx

06-06-2010, 12:10 AM

Steve-
I will need the cylinder for sure. Also the finned cover that covers the rocker shafts and cam. What size were the gloves?

honda250sx

06-06-2010, 12:11 AM

Steve-
I will need the cylinder for sure. Also the finned cover that covers the rocker shafts and cam. What size were the gloves?

Dirtcrasher

06-06-2010, 10:50 PM

^ Let me make sure they're gone 1st - They fit PERFECT! I swear I was use to XL and those may have been L, but I need to look around 1st. I gotta look 1st!! Than you though! (You know how we roll by now...) I'll have to get it all in one box for ya (Find that CDI cover).......................I'm so glad they/'ll fit your stuff!! Glad to help a brother out!

You want me to split this thing and everything? It's useless or good for trades to me, thats all. Probably bone stock. I swear I have the intake and carb too................... It may have better gears/forks/drum etc etc, all that stuff though..................? I'm sre I can help

I am,get it apart quick!! I have a crowbar, a 5lb hammer and lots of steel wedges to jam inbetween the cases :lol: (I may as well send you those to......) along with the broken critical gasket sealing areas :D

I found a double output coil the other day. no idea of it's origin though.........

Lately, I haven't even rode much , gotta get with that program.

I also want know if that sled I found nearby based on that model/serial# could make it "ice worthy"..................Otherwise, I just don't need any more crap in the yard.

I found another maybe 1/8 thick rubber flap that says "goes under tank" it has on small slice 1/2" long but no damage to the holes that the plastic pins it goes in............

It's yours...

Dirtcrasher

06-06-2010, 11:03 PM

IDK how I F'd this up but:

Apparenttl this goes under the 110 gas tank (which is what I wrote on the tape)

Anyhow, it has a small slice but all the holes (maybe 3) are perfect and use plastic pins.

Here are the pics, maybe it's available, maybe hard to find? Who knows.............

I'm trying bud! Just tell me when to split it, the crowbar is on stand by :lol: Of course I wouldn't do that to you Jeffro!!

honda250sx

06-10-2010, 11:23 AM

Picked up a really nice stock axle with the most zinc I have seen left on a used part ever. Picked it up with the carrier dirt dirt cheap. Drilled and reamed out the stud holes in my set of used 300ex hubs so that they would accept the new wheel spacers I machined up. I may offer these spacers forsale. Not sure yet.

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atc350xer

06-10-2010, 04:26 PM

wow... dem's NICE

motoman1012002

06-12-2010, 09:08 AM

looking good it almost seems that the 300 hub would give you a inch or so allready

Buster Brown

06-12-2010, 10:19 AM

Very nice build! Love all the pictures. Cool to see these modifications and old school parts.

honda250sx

06-13-2010, 01:24 PM

Very nice build! Love all the pictures. Cool to see these modifications and old school parts.

Thanks Andy! Have you done much with metal flake additives for powders? I want to do something wicked with a frame for this!

shortline10

06-13-2010, 02:27 PM

Hey Jeff you were correct on the freeze plug @ 26mm not 1 1/8" . I'm doing another motor for a customer and measured it while I had them out . Guess I should go correct my thread before someone else buys the incorrect parts LOL .

Build is looking great with the new looking parts .

honda250sx

06-13-2010, 08:14 PM

shortline10

06-13-2010, 08:21 PM

These little guys Mike were not the easiest thing to find. Finally I have a friend at Napa who works at the warehouse up here for them found them for me. No one at the stores could locate them. I normally get stuff like this from McMaster-Carr but they came up empty handed too.

Napa # 381-3191

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN3966.jpg

I need to go buy a few more myself . Took me a while before I found them also . The local big chain stores dont sell them , I found mine at an old mom and pop auto store .

honda250sx

06-13-2010, 08:26 PM

Well now you got the napa number. $.069 cents a pop. I got a few extras!

honda250sx

06-14-2010, 10:13 PM

Since I can't seem to locate a vented dipstick for this project, I decided to fool around with one I had. It came out rather nicely. I got some 3/16 barb fittings with 10-32nd threads and threw it in the drill press. End result. I imagine they did stuff like this prior to trick goodies.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN3967.jpg

Bryan Raffa

06-14-2010, 10:21 PM

Im shure of it... keep going!

honda250sx

06-20-2010, 11:14 PM

Had sometime to mess around in the shop this weekend. Got the motor torn down and the cases cleaned up and cooked out the oil so that they would not gas out during powdercoating. I also tap'd each hole so I have no snags on assembly. I also reamed out all the 10mm counterbores for the dowels as well. Prep'd each gasket surface too! Picked up a few stainless bolts from work, still need to grab the rest. I powdercoated these cases in a flat black for something different. I also installed a trick little magnetic drain plug I had kicking around.

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Xpress

06-20-2010, 11:23 PM

Niceeeeee and shiney :)

motoman1012002

06-21-2010, 10:15 AM

looking really good tobad thats a cdi motor kasey got some strokers for sale

honda250sx

06-21-2010, 10:19 AM

He's not the only cat with stroker cranks...

motoman1012002

06-21-2010, 10:38 AM

yeah I know shortline has some too but not for the cdi motors I cant find one for the cdi bikes

shortline10

06-21-2010, 02:53 PM

Man Jeff !!! You do real nice work :drool:. Looks great .

Had sometime to mess around in the shop this weekend. Got the motor torn down and the cases cleaned up and cooked out the oil so that they would not gas out during powdercoating. I also tap'd each hole so I have no snags on assembly. I also reamed out all the 10mm counterbores for the dowels as well. Prep'd each gasket surface too! Picked up a few stainless bolts from work, still need to grab the rest. I powdercoated these cases in a flat black for something different. I also installed a trick little magnetic drain plug I had kicking around.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN3968.jpg

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code200k

06-21-2010, 02:57 PM

man this thing is gunna be sweet. you do some real great quality work and do it right. i like it.

honda250sx

06-21-2010, 08:51 PM

Thanks Guys!

ROAD BLOCK!

The night started good. I scored some really nice high precision Nachi 6004 and 6204 bearings at work today. I dug out the SL90 tranny shaft I bought NOS and my gear set I had cleaned up from the original 1984 110 motor I started with. I took apart the output shaft to transfer over the gearset and discovered that the original output shaft measured 20mm OD and the SL90 shaft I have measures 18mm.

Question is...Do I have the right output shaft needed for this conversion? Or do I have the wrong SL90 shaft? Part number of the SL90 shaft was 23221-052-000.

Not sure whats going on here. Mike any idea?

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shortline10

06-21-2010, 08:58 PM

Gonna walk out to the shop and measure a couple for ya. Be back in a flash LOL .

honda250sx

06-21-2010, 09:10 PM

Give me a buzz Mike if ya can. I left you a voicemail.

shortline10

06-21-2010, 09:17 PM

Ok . I pulled some parts out and measured them for ya . First off the tranny shaft you have is correct @ 18mm , the problem I believe is the 84-85 motor have a little beefier tranny and honda bumped it up to 20mm on the 84-85 model . I measured a stock atc110 1979 model shaft and its measuring 18mm also . If your wanting to use that bottom end I think your gonna need a older model atc110 /90 tranny gears and bearings .

motoman1012002

06-24-2010, 11:10 AM

I pm'd on some parts

honda250sx

06-24-2010, 12:25 PM

Thanks Dan. Got your pm. Unfortunately my there is nothing wrong with my transmission. The issue is that the counter shaft from 81-85 are all 20mm shafts. The 1969 SL90 shaft is 18mm. Thus meaning that inorder to make this swap on a CDI motor you will need a counter shaft from a 79-80 110 or any 90 counter shaft and gears because they have 2nd and 3rd that are splined for an 18mm shaft.

Needless to say I bought NOS gears that I needed to make this conversion work.

honda250sx

06-24-2010, 12:26 PM

motoman1012002

06-24-2010, 12:45 PM

nos at least you got what would work now

honda250sx

06-24-2010, 04:35 PM

Dan are you converting a CDI motor. You will most definitely run into this issue if that is the case...

dirtjunkie85

06-24-2010, 05:43 PM

looks like a lot of work that engine is toast!!!

motoman1012002

06-24-2010, 06:04 PM

was going to use a cdi mtor but not now going to use a 79 110 motor

honda250sx

06-24-2010, 08:24 PM

looks like a lot of work that engine is toast!!!

Not sure what your refering to?

motoman1012002

06-27-2010, 08:34 PM

how's the porject coming along a couple more parts for me and ill be starting mine if I can get work to keep me home

honda250sx

07-01-2010, 11:00 PM

Hummmmmmm... Wonder what this is?

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/0629001904.jpg

Powdercoated a ragged out throttle I had. Sandblasted and retapped all the holes. It got all new bushings, spring and seal inside as well. As well as a new gasket. Needed a nice throttle to pull that little 24mm Mikuni.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/DSCN3986.jpg

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shortline10

07-02-2010, 06:23 AM

That throttle looks really nice .

:wondering whats in the big box ? Fancy mail box post ???:lol:

atc350xer

07-02-2010, 07:19 AM

That throttle looks really nice .

:wondering whats in the big box ? Fancy mail box post ???:lol:

You'd have to dig a BIG hole for that one :lol:

motoman1012002

07-02-2010, 09:30 AM

looks like a frame sent from shortline haha

atc350xer

07-02-2010, 10:12 AM

Powdercoated a ragged out throttle I had.

I put a 350x throttle on my 70... yours looks awesome!

honda250sx

07-02-2010, 12:21 PM

I put a 350x throttle on my 70... yours looks awesome!

As you can tell, I like to refurb things lol.

Vealmonkey

07-02-2010, 10:10 PM

Heck, it looks like one of those fancy ergonomic snow shovels. LOL Maybe a heavy duty weed whacker? What's so top secret about the frame? Does it have a shock absorber on it????

motoman1012002

07-03-2010, 10:05 AM

It may Ive got allmost everything I need for mine might start it this weekend

motoman1012002

07-11-2010, 02:35 AM

So I started mine today got that sl90 motor I had striped and got the parts so its time to start on the 110 motor

motoman1012002

07-22-2010, 03:33 PM

anyone heard from honda25sx

whitetail hunter

08-07-2010, 04:59 PM

any more progress?

2Tim215

08-07-2010, 05:51 PM

Interesting thread, waiting for some up-dates!!! Hope to see more photos. Hope it's going well!

miajosh

08-07-2010, 06:27 PM

yet another 110. i showed my cuzin shortline's build n he almost cried lol. hes got a 110 also. btw i have a stock mint 110 exhaust if u or anyone is interested.im looking for a performance one if anyone wants to trade.

90crazy

08-08-2010, 02:31 AM

yet another 110. I showed my cuzin shortline's build n he almost cried lol. Hes got a 110 also. Btw i have a stock mint 110 exhaust if u or anyone is interested.im looking for a performance one if anyone wants to trade.
huh?? Now i've heard it all!!!

thestud25

10-27-2010, 12:00 PM

Where are we at on this??

BiddieGibbs

10-27-2010, 12:50 PM

where do you get all this stuff from? where do you order it from? i am getting a 110 and i wanna no where you got that big bore kit

honda250sx

03-16-2011, 09:54 AM

Reinstating project fun ten. Been really busy with work and traveling with that. Been piling up parts here and there. Mike has been a monster help. I have been adding to his bank account lately haha. Got this PCCC front end and a Hooker Header for it. Trying to determine what Honda forks these are so that I can get some fork seals for them.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/IMG_0364.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/IMG_0365.jpg

Does anyone know if these holes are supposed to be angled? The holes that the bolts go into for steering stops. The bolts that came out were stripped. I may need to weld these shut and machine new ones.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/IMG_0367.jpg

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thestud25

03-16-2011, 10:33 AM

So, that is where the front end went! Thanks for the update. I have had a good time watching this build.

shortline10

03-16-2011, 04:47 PM

I believe the forks were from a sl or cl 350 mid 1970s model honda .
The allen head steering stops are supposed to be straight but if you dont put a washer and nut on the bottom they get bent a little . You can drill them straight and washer both sides and nut the bottom and it should be good . 83-85 200x seals work if you want to rebuild them but I dont think they were leaking .

honda250sx

03-16-2011, 11:26 PM

Thanks for responding Mike. I have the bottom tree getting welded now. I'm having a boss added on the bottom so that area is thicker and supports the bolt better. The forks are leaking for sure. Those who know me know I physically go thru everything and replacing cheap items like that is easy.

shortline10

03-17-2011, 04:28 PM

Forks look good . Going to paint or polish them ?

honda250sx

03-21-2011, 06:36 PM

Forks look good . Going to paint or polish them ?

Mike I think I will polish them. Just ordered dust and oil seals for them. I have a box load of stuff to send to Greg King. I received an 81 250R front hub. Got that blasted up and started designing a brake rotor for it. Going to cut that out of stainless. I need to machine an axle and spacers for that as well as come up with a bracket and brake caliper.

I need to find a 3x100 front wheel and some rear wheels.

cattle-dog

03-21-2011, 06:46 PM

the old girl is going to look really nice, sure is gonna look better than it did when i found it. cattle-dog

honda250sx

03-21-2011, 07:04 PM

Haha. Its not even going to look anything like it. The only thing I kept was the engine cases lol. Everything else was rotted or spent.

cattle-dog

03-21-2011, 07:13 PM

good thing it was free huh? lol

honda250sx

03-21-2011, 11:01 PM

Got the +3 Nicholson frame all blasted up. Has to go over to a fabricator friend of mine for some steering stop work and to have the front engine mounts straightened back out. Another goody from Mike.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/frame.jpg

81 250R hub blasted up too. Got an idea for a front brake rotor. Going to draw it in CAD tonight and cut it out of stainless when my material gets here. Can't wait. Some new steering stem bearings and hub bearings.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/hub.jpg

tri-Z ripper

03-21-2011, 11:08 PM

nice nice glad to see you at it again

honda250sx

03-21-2011, 11:21 PM

T-Ripper. Good to be back MANG. Been doing alot of traveling for work,etc. I am building an 86 tecate back to life as well!

shortline10

03-22-2011, 06:26 AM

You can get the wheels new for 50.00 each from dratv .
http://www.dratv.com/atdrivframti.html

I need to find a 3x100 front wheel and some rear wheels.

honda250sx

03-22-2011, 08:43 AM

Thanks Mike!

Can you tell me how guys adapt oil coolers to these things? Where due you tap in for oil, etc?

Lil Earl

03-22-2011, 03:43 PM

very nice looking

shortline10

03-22-2011, 05:02 PM

You can tap into the clutch cover or the head . I prefer the head set up as its easier . I have a aftermarket kit if you need to see pics .

Thanks Mike!

Can you tell me how guys adapt oil coolers to these things? Where due you tap in for oil, etc?

Bretmd94

03-22-2011, 05:18 PM

This is looking great! Lots of nice rare aftermarket parts, I love it!

honda250sx

03-22-2011, 05:21 PM

You can tap into the clutch cover or the head . I prefer the head set up as its easier . I have a aftermarket kit if you need to see pics .

Or you can sell the kit? Haha

Please I'd love to see how its done. Or if you have one mounted.

shortline10

03-22-2011, 05:28 PM

I might LOL .

Or you can sell the kit? Haha

Please I'd love to see how its done. Or if you have one mounted.

shortline10

03-22-2011, 05:45 PM

I dont remember who made this kit but its pretty trick with the aftermarket head mount . I think you could tap into the stock one and do it up the same way .

Dirtcrasher

03-22-2011, 07:49 PM

Cylinder is on the way Jeff, 2-3 days..............

motoman1012002

03-22-2011, 10:58 PM

mike pretty neat head but the cooler has seen some better days

honda250sx

03-23-2011, 01:15 PM

mike pretty neat head but the cooler has seen some better days

Where is your project at motoman?

honda250sx

03-23-2011, 01:16 PM

I dont remember who made this kit but its pretty trick with the aftermarket head mount . I think you could tap into the stock one and do it up the same way .

Thanks Mike

I could buy a kit from DRATV and machine that little cover now that I know what needs to be done!

shortline10

03-23-2011, 04:26 PM

Yep but remember to fill one of the oil cavities so the oil will flow LOL .
Thanks Mike

I could buy a kit from DRATV and machine that little cover now that I know what needs to be done!

honda250sx

03-23-2011, 11:44 PM

Yep but remember to fill one of the oil cavities so the oil will flow LOL .

You mean one of the hoses Mike?

shortline10

03-24-2011, 04:52 PM

took a pic for you

Look at my pic very close at the back side of the cooler head mount and look at your stock one and you will see what I mean . The oil passage is filled solid on the aftermarket one were the stock one would flow oil . Basically its rerouting the oil threw the cooler .

You mean one of the hoses Mike?

honda250sx

03-25-2011, 12:42 AM

honda250sx

03-25-2011, 12:46 AM

Mike, slight issue maybe. I got a cylinder from my buddy Steve aka dirtcrasher. The top of the cylinder measures 69mm. That's the OD of the sleeve. The NOS cylinder head I have, the head only measures 65mm. Do I have a NOS 90 head instead? I have nothing to compare. Original parts are all gone. They were complete junk.

shortline10

03-25-2011, 06:15 AM

I think the early us90 heads were different but let me check a few / measure tonight .

Mike, slight issue maybe. I got a cylinder from my buddy Steve aka dirtcrasher. The top of the cylinder measures 69mm. That's the OD of the sleeve. The NOS cylinder head I have, the head only measures 65mm. Do I have a NOS 90 head instead? I have nothing to compare. Original parts are all gone. They were complete junk.

motoman1012002

03-26-2011, 12:24 AM

my project has been on holt was in a motorcycle wreck and got hurt pretty bad so im just now geting out of a wheel chair and gain strength in my legs again to get out and do something

shortline10

03-26-2011, 04:08 PM

Ok I measured a few and they are all at 69mm . I remember hearing the pre73 heads are different and take a different headgasket and oil seal . I dont think you can use it on a newer cylinder mainly because of the oil seal differences .
I have a NOS 110 head if your ready to open that wallet again LOL . Teaser pic

Differences in head gaskets http://www.dratv.com/enparct.html

Mike, slight issue maybe. I got a cylinder from my buddy Steve aka dirtcrasher. The top of the cylinder measures 69mm. That's the OD of the sleeve. The NOS cylinder head I have, the head only measures 65mm. Do I have a NOS 90 head instead? I have nothing to compare. Original parts are all gone. They were complete junk.

honda250sx

03-27-2011, 01:20 AM

Mike,
what are we talking for the head?

shortline10

03-27-2011, 08:10 AM

Have to think on it .

Mike,
what are we talking for the head?

honda250sx

03-27-2011, 11:10 AM

Well lemme know. Thanks for taking the time to check for me.

shortline10

03-27-2011, 11:45 AM

Service honda shows a 110 head in stock for 121.00 new . Thought they were discontinued but maybe not LOL . If they dont have them let me know and I will sell you mine .

Well lemme know. Thanks for taking the time to check for me.

honda250sx

05-25-2011, 02:16 PM

Been a while since I have posted on this. Not much is new. Gathering parts for the motor. Bought a stroker crank from 90crazy, great guy to deal with. Not sure who made it or what the stroke is on it. Crank just got sent out to be inspected and balanced. Cylinder has been bored and honed for rocky +4 big bore piston. Working on some internal stuff for it. A lot of new guts and of course all new bearings. Had Greg King polish a bunch of stuff for it. Had to throw it together to see what it would look like. Also had him polish my PCCC triples and fork legs. Got a sweet two piece aluminum front rim and need to find some cool rears now. Frame is currently at a buddies getting the steering stop fixed and front motor brackets straightened out. Plan is to put an 81 250R front hub on this and utilize the front brake rotor with a hydraulic brake fashioned up for it. Need to machine a front axle for it and spacers as well.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/crank.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/IMG_0430.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/IMG_0427.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/IMG_0426.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/brauerpower/Symphony%20of%20Construction/IMG_0372.jpg

shortline10

05-25-2011, 04:48 PM

motoman1012002

05-25-2011, 11:02 PM

my motor is close to that looking good

honda250sx

05-25-2011, 11:07 PM

BLING !!! That is perrrty Jeff . I see your using a s90 manual clutch cover looks good . BTW I measured that crank @ 58mm .

I thought you knew that crank is for a points motor so your cdi covers and electronics wont work as with the recoil all different .

Mike. I know all this stuff was out to polish when I bought that crank. I need to get all the points stuff, and the cover. I need to get the left side engine cover and cut out the hi/lo gearbox. Got lotsa parts to buy lol. You ready to build another motor?

shortline10

05-26-2011, 04:24 PM

Yep I can build it when your ready Jeff . Shop is open for business .

Mike. I know all this stuff was out to polish when I bought that crank. I need to get all the points stuff, and the cover. I need to get the left side engine cover and cut out the hi/lo gearbox. Got lotsa parts to buy lol. You ready to build another motor?

honda250sx

06-13-2011, 08:52 AM

Not much to report. Crank is still out being trued, balanced and gone thru. Fork tubes are at forking by frank getting the pits fixed up. Frame just finished having new steering stop put on and brackets straightened. Trying to decide to chrome the frame or powdercoat or get the frame zinc yellow chromated. The zinc yellow chromate is the gold coating thats on most of these frames. As chrome-moly cannot be anodized. Zinc yellow chromate is an anti corrosion coating used on aircraft.

Looking for an early 90/110 recoil for points motor in good shape, vented dipstick and some old school rear fiberglass fenders for those of you following this build if ya have any goodies to part with. I have a pretty close to NOS 83-85 recoil I can trade straight up if someone has a really nice recoil.