23 patches later

[tundrawolf]

I had the tube out for a slow leak repair, when the winds kicked up overnight and blew it 1/4 mile through the desert. After I found it, it had quite a bit more than one slow leak.

After 23 individual patches, it now doesn't bubble under water.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00005-20100412-2103.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00006-20100412-2103.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00007-20100412-2103.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00008-20100412-2103.jpg

[p26575r16]

Wow. I'd like to say: why didn't you just buy a new one, but I would have probably done the same thing.

[tundrawolf]

New tubes are almost $20. Patches are much less than that, and a bottle of slime is more expensive than the patches, and patching it brings satisfaction for some reason. I also patch the tubes in my streetbike, I would be keeping the japanese rubber company in business with all the stuff I run over.

I do this with the patches:

Find the leak while holding it underwater
Circle it with a crayon (Wish I had what the tire man uses)
Rough it up with the rougher upper really good
Use brake cleaner and a clean rag to clean the area
Apply the cement and rub it into the tube
Stick the patch on
Never had one fail using this method.

[cattle-dog]

hey bud you putting a tube in the new tire?

[oldskool83]

i didnt think atv tires run tubes?

[harryredtrike]

your going to get the nickname (patches) now tundrawolf

[Xhumeka]

hahahaha, good job!!!!!!

I'm especially amazed you were able to find that tube after it blew away over night! Your exploits never cease to amaze me!!!!

[tundrawolf]

hey bud you putting a tube in the new tire?

No way! The new tire is tube-less. The back tires (I am using the good tire on the front for steering) are "holy" and I don't mean they go to church!

[tundrawolf]

I was riding the ATC the other day when suddenly something very large punctured the tire. I was 3 miles out, on hard and treacherous terrain. The tire went flat in a few seconds. I had to limp it all the way back home, and when I arrived, the tire looked more like a pretzel than a tire. When I got it untangled, I ended up replacing two patches, and then had to put on two more patches to fix a pinch/rub hole and the original hole, and now it has 25 patches in total on this tube.

I noticed there were two tears now in the tire. So I endeavored to repair it.

Tear

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00055-20100427-1943.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00056-20100427-1943.jpg

I went out and eventually found some rubber "stuff" to try to reinforce the crack from tearing further.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00057-20100427-1944.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00058-20100427-1944.jpg

I believe it is some form of metal tank sealant. It has been in the sun but I believe it is OK.

Next, I bought some small smooth threaded rivet things.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00059-20100427-1946.jpg

And then cut the rubber and I also beveled the edges of the rubber to prevent chafing of the tube.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00060-20100427-1957.jpg

Then, I drilled holes for the rivets:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00061-20100427-2018.jpg

And removed material so the upper rivet can sit flat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00062-20100427-2023.jpg

And installed the rivets and rubber on the inside. This is to prevent the tube from trying to pop out of the tear, and the rivets "try" the keep the sides together.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00064-20100427-2028.jpg

Although it seemed like a good idea at the time, I realize now that maybe not so much. I decided to put a patch of rubber on the other side, to really give me strength. While it might work alright, I run the risk of running over something that will wedge between the rubber and pop the head right off of the rivets. I may run bailing wire over each end to minimize this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00065-20100427-2103.jpg

I also used blue Loctite on all the threaded rivets.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00066-20100427-2110.jpg

Here it is all together. So far, so good!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00001-20100428-1632.jpg

[mmiguy2103]

WTF? dude go buy a damn tire seriously. with all the work u did u could have just got a brand new one lol wow

[MTS]

Just when i thought i had seen it all...a bias-ply/radial boot would have Fixed that tear just fine...Im not going to get into it anymore than that....Let us know how long it last before the rivets wear a hole in the tube.

[cattle-dog]

brother shoot me a pm, to me this is a man who truely wants to ride. not everyone has the means to go out and buy parts all the time. for me you are what a true motorhead/trike guy is, at least his trike isnt sitting in the garage collecting dust, brother if i lived near you i would ride with you anytime. Cattle-dog

[Grizzlypeg]

WTF? dude go buy a damn tire seriously. with all the work u did u could have just got a brand new one lol wow

LOL!!!!!! That's what I was thinking. You've got the kind of resourcefulness that would help you get off a deserted island, but I'm not sure the effort is worth in on that old tire. It looks dried up and ready for more splits.

[daniel_250r]

just get off the crack and buy a new tire, its like what 30$. is it worth having that tire explode from underneath you going fast

[Billy Golightly]

I find the ingenuity involved in this quite refreshing.


But thats me :)

[Mr_RPM]

OH I GET IT!!! YOU HAVE AN EMOTION BOND WITH THE TIRE AND DONT WANT TO SEE IT GO. lol =P man if you were closer to me id drive over and give you a tire after seeing how determined of a triker you are. i have that exact tire just less worn sittin around...lol

[bigred44]

You have inspired me to fix the slashes in my ohtsu's and put tubes in. I wont be too worried about running them on the 200x with that set up.

[oldskool83]

get a new tire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you can use 25 year o ld dry rotted tires anymore....heck go do the dealer and take 2 off the used pile!

[tundrawolf]

LOL!!!!!! That's what I was thinking. You've got the kind of resourcefulness that would help you get off a deserted island, but I'm not sure the effort is worth in on that old tire. It looks dried up and ready for more splits.

Thanks to Cattle-Dog, only 2 of the 3 tires have cracks and splits in them. I am not on the government dole, and work is hard to find, and even harder to find when you live in the hills. Sometimes, when I make $20, it will be another 2 months before I see another dime. I help the people that have given me shelter with their food ministry, so I get all the food I need. They pay for my gas for my motorcycle when I need to go places, and rarely, for a part for the motorcycle so it will stay on the road. I repair their vehicles (I changed out a steering column for the husband for $50 when Ford wanted $2,000, for example, a few days ago) Other than that by the Grace of God I survive just fine. I won't/can't ask them for $50+ for a new tire for a "toy" (Even though the trike brings me more happiness than almost anything has in years). I am also saving up what little money I do have to put the engine back together in my VW Beetle, with which I will use to start a drain cleaning business so I can buy new tires/have money for whatever.

Trust me when I say, the life that I live now is a life that most of you guys couldn't even imagine, but I am content, happy even. I am sick of screwing my life up over and over so now I am staying where God has put me, helping out two elderly people who are serving God by feeding the hungry and homeless. Sorry for the bio but I feel I should at least explain myself. I looked up a cold vulcanizing "Shoe" and yes, it would have been better. But now I know about them! As far as the tube getting worn via the rivets, then I will have a tube with 31 patches, instead of 25.

Today I stopped to talk to the husband, and he just pointed at my tire and laughed. Hey, what can I say, at least I am sporting the trike.

[Xhumeka]

brother shoot me a pm, to me this is a man who truely wants to ride. not everyone has the means to go out and buy parts all the time. for me you are what a true motorhead/trike guy is, at least his trike isnt sitting in the garage collecting dust, brother if i lived near you i would ride with you anytime. Cattle-dog

+1 for sure!!!!

tundrawolf is one resourceful dude!!!!

[86trizinger]

Spray foam works wonders.
You can get it for $5 can,, On my lawn trailer I filled the tires with it because they kept popping off the rim. No problem with that anymore.

[tundrawolf]

Spray foam tire sealant? Where do you get it for $5?

[Grizzlypeg]

You are obviously doing the best with what you have, and that's a lot more than most people manage. I wish you well. Sounds like you have a good philosophy on life and relationship with God.

[86trizinger]

Home Depot Its actually $3.98 now.

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/37/370d5591-51af-4a75-8fbb-730d5efd7775_300.jpg

[cattle-dog]

get the window and door foam it doesnt swell as much or you could have a mess on your hands lol, it is a good idea alot of equiptment now have foam filled tires. your ride will be a little stiffer, but it will work if you watch how much you put in .

[thestud25]

Tundrawolf, I know you didn't post the bio to get sympathy, but by doing what you are doing there will be reward someday. I am with Cattledog when I say I would ride with you any day of the week. Keep on triking and don't let anyone tell you other wise.

[oldskool83]

hey man i'd if i was in your situation i'd try and catch a ride to a dealer after hours and pic up a new set of the used pile that they throw away....i been doing that for years with my streetbikes.

[atc350xer]

good for you, tundrawolf... too many people throw away too many useful things nowadays... I'm no tree hugging hippie, but waste not want not, right?

[beets442]

New tube and not pushing my ride at all! = PRICELESS

[Dirtcrasher]

BEADLOCKS!! yet all that tube work?? :lol:

[tundrawolf]

Well I got a flat after a good ride. Turns out the huge hole tore underneath the patch, and at the edge of the patch the air was leaking. So I cut the old patch off, cleaned it up with the Dremel, and put on a larger patch. I also took out the rear hub (I was able to figure it out) and greased the rear bearings just for fun. The patch is really holding up, however the external rounded heads have mostly been sheared and rubbed off. I got in a good ride today.

[Autophysn]

dude!!!! What size tire do you need? and what is your zip code?

[tundrawolf]

Spray foam works wonders.
You can get it for $5 can,, On my lawn trailer I filled the tires with it because they kept popping off the rim. No problem with that anymore.

Are you seriously telling me to put expanding foam in my tires? What happens when it is dented by a rock? I'll have a permanent soft spot? You're joking, right??

[The Goat]

google interco tire in scott louisiana and look at their blem section. They sell tires for CHEAP in there.

also...you can cut up noodles (the pool toys) and lay them in your tire, the tire will be able to run with zero psi.

[200XMichigan]

Dude I think your best bet is the after hours tire at the dealers. Half the time you don't have to go after hours if they are cool. They have to pay to dispose of them, so by me they were happy to have people take tires. Or maybe someone might send you a tire for all the good stories.

And if everyone had your motivation to get riding there would be a lot less trikes sitting out in the weeds. Its great.

[MagicJames]

What kind of trike and what size tire do you need??

[tundrawolf]

The trike is an ATC 110, tires are 22x11x8.

Taking the rear hub out of an ATC 110 is actually really easy, it just looks hard. The fixed cam (lower cam) for the braking system is pressed into the hub, and it looks like it will not come out. Once you get the 3 through bolts out, the brake pads and upper brake cam out, drop the hub down as it pivots on the lower cam, then rotate the assembly out.

[tundrawolf]

Does anyone know how to repair a growing tear in an inner tube? It started with a 1/4" hole, which I patched, but it keeps tearing and going past the patch. I am thinking about sewing the tear shut, then applying a patch over it? Any ideas?

Here's a pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00033-20100510-1251.jpg

If there is ***any way*** to repair this tube, please let me know!

[factoryX]

dude this thread = fail. Buy a tube/tire. This is the same as running on rocks bare footed.

[350Xccelerator]

LOL You must really love that tire

[86trizinger]

It kind of works like a crack in plastic. You may be able to use a hole puncher and put a hole where its continuing to tear.. The stitch it together but I doubt it is going to hold much longer. It has to expand when you pump it up so something is going to give.

[factoryX]

okay, I used to patch bicycle tubes and once it has a rip in it, it can not be saved, and it will rip under the patch.

[MTS]

Need a Real big Tube patch...and Needs to be buffed/ cleaned/ and stitched on (No not a needle and thread) and that MIGHT...stop it...put once they start tearing there pretty much done...

[tundrawolf]

How do you stitch without a needle and thread?

[MTS]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002PN3GO2/myaudionli-20/ Need one of them, It adheres the rubber together better, Also need a buffer on a die grinder, and some liquid buffer, Buff the rubber smooth and clean, Clean with the liquid buffer, Cement...Let it tack up, Put the patch on,,,Careful not to touch the rubber gum with your fingers....Then stitch it on...google it...real simple...Might have to do a little How-to video..

[3wheelmecca]

I heart Squirty Foam. Gotta try that.

[tundrawolf]

What I do is use the polishing bit on the Dremel (Super fine abrasive) and clean the tube so it is all one shade. Then, I use a clean rag or cloth, and spray brake cleaner on the tube. I apply the cement, then the patch. Usually, this creates a bond so good the top of the patch will separate from the adhesive section before the adhesive separates from the tube. I was thinking about putting a patch underneath the tear, and one on top like a sandwhich. I am researching stitching.

So does the stitcher actually penetrate the patch? I am having trouble actually finding what it is about.

[MTS]

It doesn't penetrate the patch...It Gives it more sealing surface...Sticks more of the patch to the tube...A good patch makes a big difference too..not sure what your using....The important part being its Clean rubber the patch sticks too...Your method would work as long as you buff it down enough...i suppose...

[Pafrig]

so, i just have to ask.... was it worth fixing that slow leak in the begining?

[atc350xer]

I have an old kit from the 70's called a hot patch... you clamp the patch and a small tin of flammable stuff onto the tube, scratch the surface of the flammable stuff, then light it... it melts the patch and tube into one... worked really well back in the day

[tundrawolf]

so, i just have to ask.... was it worth fixing that slow leak in the begining?


Well, the slow leak was from the tear tearing under the patch. I tried reinflating it without repairing it, and it worked for a day, then the next day is was totally utterly flat. Had I of done nothing, it would have eventually just left me stranded. So I guess it was worth it. Lots of interesting ideas I am getting here. I like the sound of the "hot patch". I can pretty much imagine why we don't see them too much anymore.

[Billy Golightly]

You guys will laugh at me and say I'm full of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro, but I patched an inter-tube on the front of the ford tractor at home probably 3-4 months ago with nothing but blue shop towels, and tire boot glue. Really. Its still holding air. It wasn't a significant rip though.

[ditchmud]

No offense I admire your determination, but a few people have offered you a tire why don't you take them up on it? Your tire and the tube that you have really need to be retired. I think that you are fighting a losing battle. Just imagine what it would feel like if you accepted a free tire from someone and the joy that would accompany you being able to ride and not repair a flat when you're done....But if you wish to keep up your battle I applaud your efforts! Good Luck!!

[the great gazoo]

Don't give up, Tundra Wolf!! Keep on patching! I admire your integrity.

[tundrawolf]

240X has offered to send me a set of tires, free of charge. I agree this tube and tire setup has had it. 3 of the rivets have had the tops shear off. I got some riding in with it, so to me it was worth it and then some. I can't tell you guys how much I enjoy riding. When I was younger my dirtbike was all I had and I used to ride up to this vacant lot in Colorado and lay in some thicket and read books, explore, etc. To be alone, you know. I have always always wanted a trike, I honestly don't think there is anything quite like riding one. Back before I lost my job, I had a 450X and it was a blast, but this little 20+ year old 3 wheeler is honestly more fun than even the 450X. Trust me, I am going to do whatever it takes to keep this little machine going. I have already tightened the timing chain, cleaned the centrifugal oil filter, cleaned and polished the mechanical advance assembly, changed the plug, rebuilt the carb, cleaned and greased the front wheel bearings, cleaned and greased the steering bearings, cleaned and greased the rear bearings, lubricated the chain, and put fresh synthetic 20-50 motor oil in the motor. A good friend of mine just gae me a rear cargo rack for a Yamaha, and it looks like it will almost just bolt right up! I am so stoked!

[tundrawolf]

You guys will laugh at me and say I'm full of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro, but I patched an inter-tube on the front of the ford tractor at home probably 3-4 months ago with nothing but blue shop towels, and tire boot glue. Really. Its still holding air. It wasn't a significant rip though.

Did you saturate the towels with the boot glue?

[tundrawolf]

Well, it has been sitting all this time. Does anyone around 92356 have a 22x11x8?

[cattle-dog]

hey brother hope things are going well havent seen you on in a while i am sure a tire will come up !

[ktmbk]

New tubes are almost $20. Patches are much less than that, and a bottle of slime is more expensive than the patches, and patching it brings satisfaction for some reason. I also patch the tubes in my streetbike, I would be keeping the japanese rubber company in business with all the stuff I run over.

I do this with the patches:

Find the leak while holding it underwater
Circle it with a crayon (Wish I had what the tire man uses)
Rough it up with the rougher upper really good
Use brake cleaner and a clean rag to clean the area
Apply the cement and rub it into the tube
Stick the patch on
Never had one fail using this method.



Wow, I'm ......... intrigued........
I think that this is a lost cause with these tire's and tubes, however I do admire your determination to ride.
I personally can't get those tube patches to stick for anything, so someone that can get 23 on a single tube can't be all that bad.

I don't have a tire that I can send, but If you pm me with your address I'll send you one of those nice oil crayons to mark the tire's.

hopefully it will help you in the future

[shortbus]

Hey i thinks it pretty cool! Anyone can just go out and buy a new tire! lol

[Dirtcrasher]

Didn't someone during this topic offer to send you a tire??

Yeah, be proud to fix it but the 30 minutes it takes every time (I'm sorry, I'll call it 15 minutes) certainly adds up over time.

I wouldn't wanna risk getting stranded; A couple patches is fine but you must be running over porcupines..............

[brapp]

i used zip ties and a loader patch already

[3wheelrider]

Ha-Ha.-I cant believe this thread keeps going!

[RacerRichie]

WOW! :lol:

[kaseobeer2585]

Haha macgyver would be proud

[Dirtcrasher]

If any of you are remotely on the same page as me, you DESPISE FLATS!!

Tubes never last and I'm so glad in the past I've had the cash to buy brand new .190 rims and Holeshots...........

A PLUG alone pisses me off, but having the patience to remove a tube and rubber cement a patch in place!!?? COUNTLESS TIMES!! You, my friend, could teach ALLOT of us about patience which is something I have none of......................

Does MOOSE only make the semi-solid tubes for bikes or the ATV world too??

[tundrawolf]

Thanks for the kind words guys. I am going to be welding some holes shut in the gas tank of my 110 and also going to weld on extensions to make the tank bigger for a longer range. I will post pics and capacities when I am through. Is the 22x11x8 a rare size tire? Is there a more popular 8" tire that will work and is the same dia roughly?

[atc350xer]

Thanks for the kind words guys. I am going to be welding some holes shut in the gas tank of my 110 and also going to weld on extensions to make the tank bigger for a longer range. I will post pics and capacities when I am through. Is the 22x11x8 a rare size tire? Is there a more popular 8" tire that will work and is the same dia roughly?

That's the most common tire size around... my brother bought them new at Rocky Mountain ATV(.com) for $37 each. As for welding on extensions to the tank, you could make a larger tank fit your 110... like maybe an older Big Red tank or something, they can be had pretty inexpensively.

[cooter69]

Wow, I admire your hard work to keep riding. I wish everyone was as resourceful as you are. You sound like you live a simple life, but that is not such a bad thing considering you have less stress in your life.
Did you ever get those different tires from 240x?
And where you live sounds really remote, got any pictures of the landscape or where you ride?

[tundrawolf]

Today I was with a friend helping to change out a tire, for another friend. I was at the shop and I saw about 5 ATC tires and I freaked out. The guy wanted $40 for two of them, and I got him down to $20, because one was cracked so badly it probably wouldn't hold air, but the tread on both is 90%.

I get them home and find out that the one that isn't cracked up is a "Super low pressure, use with beadlocker only" tire, and I cannot even get it to stay seated.

The cracked up tire was a 21x11-8 and the low pressure beadlocker is an 21x12-8. The tires that were on the ATC are 22x11-8s. I just want to ride. Are these two tires the same diameter? One is 1 number off on the second number. I still have the tore up tube, my mum told me to punch 2 holes on each end because it will stop the tear. I might try this, because tubes are expensive, too! But it is looking like I will need a tube inside of each tire, one because of the cracks and the other because it will not hold air because it is a low pressure design. That is if they are both the same outer diameter.

Here are some pictures I have taken.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/Desert/IMG00073-20100822-1944.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/Desert/IMG00198-20100708-1149.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/Desert/IMG00156-20100628-1634.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/Desert/IMG00071-20100612-1628.jpg

Rattler I killed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/Desert/IMG00166-20100630-1519.jpg

You can see my ATC here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/Desert/IMG00067-20100523-0956.jpg

A view of the mine I live behind:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/Desert/DSC02182.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/Desert/0619091608a.jpg

[Big Mike]

Damn no wonder you get to ride every day!!! Wish I had that sort of terrain to ride on.

[cattle-dog]

hey brother glad to see things are still good for you, get that vw running yet? remember life is what you make of it. glad to see all is well with you. cattle-dog

[tundrawolf]

I don't get to ride every day. The last time I rode an ATC I was test riding one I was working on for a friend who lives at a wolf sanctuary. I haven't ridden my ATC since this thread was started, months ago. Now do you see why I want to get it going????

The VW is about $1,500 out, and that is with me doing the work myself. Not including registration. I try to save money for parts but when you don't have an income it makes things hard.

My father gave me a small drain cleaning machine, and I have been advertising everywhere that is free. I am charging 1/2 what a big company charges to clear a drain and I have not gotten one call. It's been two months. I am not giving up. I just posted an add on another website I heard about. I am not going to give up, how can I? Work is hard to find in populated areas, here it is even harder. All I have is my motorcycle, so maybe when people see me riding around with a small drain cleaning machine strapped to the board on the back I will get some business! All of my needs are met helping the food ministry and the people I live with.

[tundrawolf]

What is the difference in size between the 22 x 11 - 8, the 21 x 11 - 8, and the 21 x 12 - 8?

[inv3ctiv3]

Why did you kill the rattler? That's really unfortunate :( Ignorance leads to dead snakes, if you leave it alone it would leave you alone.

[Bretmd94]

I don't get to ride every day. The last time I rode an ATC I was test riding one I was working on for a friend who lives at a wolf sanctuary. I haven't ridden my ATC since this thread was started, months ago. Now do you see why I want to get it going????

The VW is about $1,500 out, and that is with me doing the work myself. Not including registration. I try to save money for parts but when you don't have an income it makes things hard.

My father gave me a small drain cleaning machine, and I have been advertising everywhere that is free. I am charging 1/2 what a big company charges to clear a drain and I have not gotten one call. It's been two months. I am not giving up. I just posted an add on another website I heard about. I am not going to give up, how can I? Work is hard to find in populated areas, here it is even harder. All I have is my motorcycle, so maybe when people see me riding around with a small drain cleaning machine strapped to the board on the back I will get some business! All of my needs are met helping the food ministry and the people I live with.

When you strap that snake (drain cleaner) to your bike I would love to see a pic of that. (I am a plumber as well as a 3 wheeler enthusiast)

I wish i had a front tire for you, but my 200x's front tire is done as well. Anyone got a nice oem one they want to get rid of?

[Bretmd94]

What is the difference in size between the 22 x 11 - 8, the 21 x 11 - 8, and the 21 x 12 - 8?

22 x 11 x 8 = 22 inches tall, 11 inch WIDE, 8 inches dia wheel.

[Jeepermc]

22 x 11 x 8 = 22 inches tall, 11 inch dia rim, 8 inches wide. The 21x12x8 wont do you any good unless you get some one off rim that is 12" dia

Not quite- 22x11x8 is 22 inches tall, 11 inches wide and fits an 8" diameter wheel. Same goes for the rest of them

[Jeepermc]

Why did you kill the rattler? That's really unfortunate :( Ignorance leads to dead snakes, if you leave it alone it would leave you alone.

Assuming that could lead to dead people. Why do you automatically assume he killed it for no good reason? maybe there are kids running around the place that don't know any better and it would be a danger to them?

Do you always ask a question, assume you already know the answer and then judge someone? Or just this time?

I'm not trying to start anything with you, But when I ask a question I usually wait for an answer before I deem someone to be ignorant.

[Xhumeka]

When you strap that snake (drain cleaner) to your bike I would love to see a pic of that. (I am a plumber as well as a 3 wheeler enthusiast)

Did you ever see his picture of his ATC strapped to his bike??? THAT was incredible! So incredible that none of my fellow biker friends believed the picture to be real - they are convinced it was photoshop'd!

[Bretmd94]

Not quite- 22x11x8 is 22 inches tall, 11 inches wide and fits an 8" diameter wheel. Same goes for the rest of them

I did get that messed up. Too used to looking at 200x/250r front tires and thinking it had to be an 11" rim

[tundrawolf]

Why did you kill the rattler? That's really unfortunate :( Ignorance leads to dead snakes, if you leave it alone it would leave you alone.

Friend, I live in the midst of one of the top deadliest snakes in the world-the Mojave Green. I have a green tinted rattler from one that was run over. They are a pitviper, and more venomous than the diamondback. This year there have been many rattlesnakes on this property. I have killed so many I simply do not know where this one was. I had one a few feet from my front door. Another was 9 feet from the property owners front door. They are elderly people, do you understand what would happen to an elderly person if bitten by a rattler? How about a person who might not hear it because they are hard of hearing?

One snake rattled right away when I got within a few feet of it. The other did not rattle at all and I was inches from it. I also give the meat after I skin them to a friend who enjoys it.

And yes, there are children who visit this vast property. My dog was face bitten by what I assume was a snake, his face swelled up to the size of a grapefruit. Pardon me, but **** that. If I were to say the next snake I found, I would drop it off at your house, you would say "no", because you live in the city and have zero clue what it is like to live in the mountains of the desert. No offense, but you are the one who is ignorant in this issue.

I was firmly upset at the owners of the property and told them they made a mistake when they ran over a pregnant Gopher snake. There was a large Gopher snake INSIDE MY HOME that I opened the door for and let it leave. If it doesn't have a rattle, I will pull over and shoe it off of the road. Just yesterday my neighbor and I shoed off the largest Gopher snake I have ever seen, it was easily 4 and 1/2 feet long.

In the case when the snake did not rattle, that is a hazard. Mostly, they will rattle and let me know they are there, and I hate to kill those ones, but it is a matter of me Vs. them. If I leave them alone, they will simply populate this area, and eventually there will be a bite. A child bitten, a dog bitten, an elderly person bitten, or me and my neighbor bitten. Snakes exist to eat and make more snakes. The people who own my property are angry that I refuse to kill the Gopher snake that resides near my home. I will not do it! They eat the rodents, and the Rattlers. They are a benefit and nothing else, except for a little shock when I see them in my home.

If I was an expert snake handler you would have a point, I would not have to kill them, I could catch them and put them elsewhere, far out in the desert.




As far as the ATC goes, here are more pictures, and yes, I rode with it on the back of my bike for a few miles, I do not know how many exactly, maybe 6. More or less.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/cycle.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101830.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101830a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101831.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101839.jpg

After I got home, it was dusk:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101906.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101906a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101906b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101907.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101907a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/ATC%20transporter/0318101907b.jpg

I simply do not have time to photoshop all of those pictures. If you REALLY TRULY DOUBT ME, google maps to 92356, I will meet you at a determined time, and you can speak to the guy I bought it from, his father, and whoever else I can contact from when I strapped it to my bike and rode it home.

When I turned, I would turn the handlebars, then there was a delay and the rest of the bike would turn. It made it hard to navigate the rocky dirt roads, and I almost went into a big bush, but I never went down. I do not own a 4 wheel vehicle that I am able to drive on the road. I did what I had to do and I would do it again, 100 times, because I love my ATC.

[Bretmd94]

those pics are great!

[inv3ctiv3]

Friend, I live in the midst of one of the top deadliest snakes in the world-the Mojave Green. I have a green tinted rattler from one that was run over. They are a pitviper, and more venomous than the diamondback. This year there have been many rattlesnakes on this property. I have killed so many I simply do not know where this one was. I had one a few feet from my front door. Another was 9 feet from the property owners front door. They are elderly people, do you understand what would happen to an elderly person if bitten by a rattler? How about a person who might not hear it because they are hard of hearing?

One snake rattled right away when I got within a few feet of it. The other did not rattle at all and I was inches from it. I also give the meat after I skin them to a friend who enjoys it.

And yes, there are children who visit this vast property. My dog was face bitten by what I assume was a snake, his face swelled up to the size of a grapefruit. Pardon me, but **** that. If I were to say the next snake I found, I would drop it off at your house, you would say "no", because you live in the city and have zero clue what it is like to live in the mountains of the desert. No offense, but you are the one who is ignorant in this issue.

I was firmly upset at the owners of the property and told them they made a mistake when they ran over a pregnant Gopher snake. There was a large Gopher snake INSIDE MY HOME that I opened the door for and let it leave. If it doesn't have a rattle, I will pull over and shoe it off of the road. Just yesterday my neighbor and I shoed off the largest Gopher snake I have ever seen, it was easily 4 and 1/2 feet long.

In the case when the snake did not rattle, that is a hazard. Mostly, they will rattle and let me know they are there, and I hate to kill those ones, but it is a matter of me Vs. them. If I leave them alone, they will simply populate this area, and eventually there will be a bite. A child bitten, a dog bitten, an elderly person bitten, or me and my neighbor bitten. Snakes exist to eat and make more snakes. The people who own my property are angry that I refuse to kill the Gopher snake that resides near my home. I will not do it! They eat the rodents, and the Rattlers. They are a benefit and nothing else, except for a little shock when I see them in my home.

If I was an expert snake handler you would have a point, I would not have to kill them, I could catch them and put them elsewhere, far out in the desert.

Way to make assumptions! But how were you supposed to know I spent most of my life on a 10,000 acre ranch in Texas catching snakes of all kinds, hell even here in the "city" when I go riding in the foothils and I see a rattlesnake I move it off of the trail so it won't get hurt or killed. I would prefer you drop them off at my house if you lived closer so I could re-locate them to a safer/less populated area. I am glad you move the gopher snakes and I do understand why you kill the rattlesnakes but I always just prefer they get moved if at all possible. But since I assumed you just killed it cause you saw it (my mistake) I understand why you do in your case it's just unfortunate. I always try and protect desert reptiles when I can especially the horny toads, hopefully you guys still have some of those near you.

[mrcribbs]

This 110 needs some trail pros!

[Xpress]

Rattlesnakes work off of a simple principle: don't bother them, and they won't bother you. I've walked past a handful of diamonbacks here and didn't notice them until I came back the way I came. They were just sitting beneath a bush, minding their own business, up until I started to pull them out with a hook. The only way they can really strike at you is when they're coiled up, otherwise, they can't.

A snake hook/walking stick is a good thing to have with you on a trail :)

[tundrawolf]

Back on topic. So I put the non cracked tire on the rim with the valve stem on it (Tubeless rim). It leaks at the beads. The tire says it is to be run with a bead locking rim, which I do not have. So, I remove that tire and put the other cracked tire on that rim. The cracked tire leaks also at the bead. So I am thinking my bent up and scratched up rim will not hold air.

So I dug out the 24+ patch tube. I had to replace at least 8 of the patches from dry rot and cracking because of the sun, or age, or whatever. I carefully cut each one off of the tube, then used the dremel to clean the goo, then cleaned it with brake cleaner, then applied glue, then pealed and applied each patch.

I went to a local motorcycle shop and they have the tube I need for $17.00. He said he would give me a tire if he had one but he does not. They are a good shop and have done me right in the past with my V Star 1100. (1st Place Motorsports)

So after several tries and re-patchings, I got the non cracked tire on the rim and the tube in and not leaking.

But I would like to share something I tried, on suggestion from my mum. Because the tube had torn, and kept tearing each time I repaired it, she suggested I punch two holes, one on each end of the tear. This is where I left off:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00033-20100510-1251.jpg

I don't have a circular punch so I used my Dremel:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00431-20101102-1340.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00433-20101102-1351.jpg

And patched, you can see the tear under the patch:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00434-20101102-1518.jpg

Now I have a badly cracked tire with a tubeless rim. Eventually when I have some extra spending money I will get a tube and put it in and run the cracked tire. I think the tire will hold up, at least I will get some rides out of it, I am so tired of looking at the ATC.

Thank you for the brand new front tire, Cattle-Dog, you are a good man with a good heart.

[fabiodriven]

How is this thread even going still?

[tundrawolf]

When you strap that snake (drain cleaner) to your bike I would love to see a pic of that. (I am a plumber as well as a 3 wheeler enthusiast)

I wish i had a front tire for you, but my 200x's front tire is done as well. Anyone got a nice oem one they want to get rid of?

Luckily for me, all of my tires are the same size. 22x11-8.

In honor of your occupation and hobby, I will oblige you and put the drain machine on the motorcycle and snap some pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/Plumbing/IMG00437-20101102-1703.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/Plumbing/IMG00436-20101102-1702.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/Plumbing/IMG00435-20101102-1702.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/bike/Plumbing/IMG00438-20101102-1703.jpg

I know that soon I will be using it for an actual job!

Since the ATC carrier pics, I have welded on bracing to extend out the board so I could bring 2 rims and my duffle bag down the hill to trade for VW parts. It worked out well, but the particle board is falling apart. You can see where I welded 6 (Well maybe you can only see 1) pieces of rebar I cut for hooking points for the tie downs.

[squirrel1182]

I salute your patience with that tube. Just recently the bead on my klt got screwed up so badly that i could get approximately 10 minutes before it was completely flat. And the only thing i had to fix was orange rtv. It would have worked if i was able to get it all the way around the bead on the tire. (carslile trail pros)

[Xhumeka]

That bike is a TANK... I love it!!!!

[Bretmd94]

In honor of your occupation and hobby, I will oblige you and put the drain machine on the motorcycle and snap some pics.

I know that soon I will be using it for an actual job!



yes! My father will get a kick out of these

[tundrawolf]

I need two tubes to get the tires I bought going, when I realized that all I needed to get my old set going was just the one tube. So after I patched the leaks and replaced some of the patches, I put the old tires back on. Before that, I put new aluminum rivets through the tire to keep the tear at bay, and only used the rubber piece on the inside of the tire and not the outside.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00445-20101105-1629-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00444-20101105-1629.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00443-20101103-1100.jpg

I also had a foglight that was laying around, so I bent the metal in a vice and got it to go in front of the headlight bezel, and soldered it to the wires that go to the headlight switch. It is not that bright, but it doesn't kill my night vision, and it is bright enough to navigate here at night.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00457-20101105-1924.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00456-20101105-1924.jpg

I really enjoyed riding it yesterday and the day previous, when I had spare moments.

But today I found that the tube tire was flat. I thought that the large tear had maybe extended past the patch again, but was surprised to find that one patch had missed the hole it was to plug, and that I had missed another pinhole altogether.

These are the patches I used (I am out of small square patches) to cover the holes. If you notice the dimples, it is because I used my valve stem tool to press the patch down against the rubber, to ensure a better seal. Like stitching, I like to believe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00449-20101105-1736.jpg

The patch over the big tear really is too small:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00446-20101105-1639.jpg

Here it is inflated. Check out the impression of the tear. The tear goes to within 1/8" of both edges of the patch when inflated!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00451-20101105-1736.jpg

I decided to try to remedy, or at least strengthen the patch over the large tear. This is what I did:

I used my dremel to bevel the outer edges and to clean the tube itself over the area where the patch would be applied:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00452-20101105-1743.jpg

Then, I applied the rubber cement:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00453-20101105-1745.jpg

Then, I carefully applied the rigid patch over the inflated tube:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00454-20101105-1747.jpg

On both ends:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00455-20101105-1804.jpg

I took it for a spin tonight and I had a great time. It is nice to be able to isolate myself and pray.

[tundrawolf]

Well, I noticed the tube tire was a bit flat this morning. I had to use the bike to get around (Better than my big Yamaha) so I got the tube out today to find the puncture. Turns out a small flap was created in the tire at some point, and dirt had entered between the flap and the tube, and eventually it made a hole. So I patched the tire itself. I used a small rigid patch under a larger rigid patch.

The large tears' edges are now within 1/8" of the patch. It is holding air very well, but to deflate suddenly would be bad in the trails here. I used my Dremel to clean off the plastic sheeting of the patches which was very difficult. During the cleaning of the original, thin patch with the dremel, I accidentally pt a hole in it, a big hole. The tube began deflating. I still haven't been able to justify the spending of limited funds on a tube, so I decided to keep trying to fix it. I held the hole shut with my finger while I still tried the cleaning.

Of course, I put another, much larger hole in it before I could finish. I should have just used the brake cleaner on the thin patch. How stupid I was.

I pinched the tube shut and inflated it as much as I could. I applied glue to the area and put another patch over the holes. It worked! Sort of. It was still leaking, because the patch got a little dirty, and I touched it (I had to, I only had one hand). I tried to seal the sides where it was leaking and it has seemed to work. I took a radial patch and tried to make it stick but it only partially worked.

Many of the patches I have are very old. I have had to throw some of them away, and this may be the case with the radial patch.

I tried my best to seal the edges where it was leaking.

Below are pictures.

Here is the patch I thought I would cover the thing patch with, for a total of 3 patches.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00485-20101108-1827.jpg

Here is my finger holding the small hole shut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00482-20101108-1803.jpg

After the bigger hole that I could not shut, this is what the whole patch assembly looked like:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00483-20101108-1810.jpg

Here's what the 3rd patch looked like after got it dirty, etc.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00486-20101108-1832.jpg

I ran out of cement, so I ran and bought some more (Need it for patching the tubes on my V Star). Here is the the area cleaned where I was hoping the long rigid Radial patch would keep the sides of the circular patches down. P.S. I do not have DirecTV. I bought the DVR at a garage sale for $5 and I scored some recorded movies on it. Just in case you are wondering why I cannot afford a tube but I can afford DirecTV. I can't.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00489-20101108-1912.jpg

Here I am trying to get the Radial patch to seal.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00491-20101108-1934.jpg

It didn't work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00493-20101108-1937.jpg

But the tube held enough air to seat the beads on the tire. I put 9 LBS in the tube tire and put it back on the atc. I will check it again in the morning. All I can do is pray it holds air.


Dave

[scooterroo]

oh my lord, go buy a new tube already...

[tundrawolf]

oh my lord, go buy a new tube already...

For sure.. But in the meantime...

So I knew there was a slow leak in the tear area. Instead of filling it every morning, I took a chance and patched it.

First, I carefully cut off the failed "Radial" rigid patch with a razor blade:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00495-20101109-1736.jpg

Next, I cleaned up the area. Some things I have been learning about the Dremel and abrasive grinding bit: Pressing too hard digs deep into the rubber. It is best to go easy. Going too fast makes the rubber rough. Take your time and it will turn out very well. Pay attention to the rotation of the bit. It can tear upwards and open a patch if you use it the wrong way. I also was careful to try to make the area as flat as possible.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00496-20101109-1749.jpg

Special thanks to ktmbk for the oil crayon and the patches! Here I used two of them. One leak was minor, an another I had to watch, it was a very slow leak.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00497-20101109-1928.jpg

I submerged the tube again and saw no more bubbles. So I deflated it in preparation for reinsertion in the tire:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00498-20101109-1931.jpg

You can see how deformed the whole patched area is when the tube is deflated:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00499-20101109-1932.jpg

Inflating the tube inside tire:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00500-20101109-1950.jpg

I put 3 LBS in it last night. Today it reads 2 PSI. But it was in my warm room being inflated by a warm air compressor, so the temperature change could easily account for 1 lost PSI. There were no air leaks visible while it was in the bathtub.

Also, after a few days of hardcore offroading, rock crawling, trail riding, the rivets look very good:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/wolfmangk/ATC/IMG00502-20101109-1952.jpg

The upper right hand rivet is longer than the rest, they were out of the short ones so I had to make due. The outer rubber strip was totally unnecessary.

Total number of patches on the tube as of 11/10/10 9 AM Pacific: 32 patches.


Thanks for reading!

[oldskool83]

dude you really need to get some tires, take some off the used tire piles they are not dry rotted.

[tundrawolf]

I've got a set of used tires, with great tread, but one is cracked really bad (nothing I can do about that) and neither hold air without tubes. So I need another tube to sport them. So for now I have to sport the old ones. But they work, and have been working for a while. I'm stoked to be riding the ATC again so it's all good.

[oldskool83]

you need a set of realtors man

[86trizinger]

I think it is amazing you have been running this since April. How many patches are you up to now?
Sometimes other things are more important then tires, you have to do what you can some times.

[86trizinger]

Honestly there are so many people who are struggling right I commend you for that. But make sure they don't blow out on you while going fast. I know you want to ride but safety first.

If anyone else is up for it I am willing to pitch in $10 towards some tires for you even if they are used. If I had any that were good I would just send them to you.

[Bretmd94]

I'm enjoying seeing the determination with that tube. That thing is getting knarly.

[scottp597]

This reminds me of when I was a kid and I would try a bunch of home remedies to try and fix my leaking tire on my bid red. After many failed attempts I just started taking a portable air tank out with me on some trails so that when it went flat I knew it was time to air up and head back.... lol

I also had an electrical short so everytime I wanted to start it I would take the seat off, take apart the fuse canister, insert my handy wire with 2 ends stripped and start the machine. lol

I look back and just shake my head lol.... I'm so fortunate to be able to just buy things I want without thinking twice, truly is a blessing.

[MTS]

Just a tip for future reference.. Them Big round patch's are more likely for the tire...tube ones are thinner and stretch/hold to the tube better...A Radial patch wont hold at all..Too stiff...As you found out on your own .But if you can make it work go for it,,,to get that plastic off, Cut it down the middle of the patch before you Install it...when you inflate it, the cut in the plastic will expand..and pull off much easier, Your on the right track with stiching the patch on..but the point is to get all the air out from between the patch and tube...works better when there's no air in the tube. And last but not least..the big Rubber flaps/seams of the old Ohtsu's will rub into the tube over time and create holes...as will a rough inside of the tire. One last thing...Take it a bit easier on the cement and let it Dry/tack up evenly..will get a better seal.

[3wheelinfvr]

The radial patches might work on the inside of the tire to cover those cuts instead of the ruber patch and rivet deal.

[Honda250ES]

Man I love your work you are similar to me a few years ago. I know what it is like to have no cash at all, I have been poor all my life and needed to make due with what I had
and I have built or fix everything I have ever owned. if you lived close to me we would be buds for sure we would get along very well.

My life is better in the last years I still im poor but I got enuff to pay the bills and ride.

and I wish you the best in the coming years . I would give you a name = getting it done guy.

[tundrawolf]

Man I love your work you are similar to me a few years ago. I know what it is like to have no cash at all, I have been poor all my life and needed to make due with what I had
and I have built or fix everything I have ever owned. if you lived close to me we would be buds for sure we would get along very well.

My life is better in the last years I still im poor but I got enuff to pay the bills and ride.

and I wish you the best in the coming years . I would give you a name = getting it done guy.


Thank you all for the kind replies. I like to think that in hard times people can do what they have to do with what they have. I am thankful I was able to patch that tear. My hypothesis was correct, even after 3 days, when the tire is warm it reads 3 PSI. The tube is holding air and I am thankful.

[birdman7389]

Hey Turndawolf, its good to see someone enjoy riding as much as you do, and I sure know what its like to be a broke high-desertian (used to live in Apple Vally, and Newberry Springs. yuck,

Anyway, I have a set of 2 Maxxis Razr-R's you are welcome to have, they have about 80% tread, they would be really nice on your trike. They are 20x10x9 though, so you need someone to cough up some 9" rims.

[tundrawolf]

Wow, that s a kind offer. Do they make 9" rims in my bolt pattern?

By the way, I am +1 on patches, for a total of 33.

[birdman7389]

Not sure, but I betcha someone here knows. I have not been on a trike for ~10 years....an 86 ATC200s and an 87 (i think) 200X.

[Jeepermc]

I picked up some 300EX hubs for my 90's and can run the stock 300Ex 9" rims on the 90 now...