3 Wheeler Ban...Is it over?

[rickybudz]

I read in another forum that the 3 wheeler ban was only for 10 years. Is this true? Here's the forum page http://three-wheelers-forums.info/viewtopic.php?t=19969001979401ZZ4T5IK

[TheRealFatShady]

It may be, but I doubt companies want to take that risk.

Three wheelers are still made....in the form of mobility scooters. And some motorcycles have two front wheels, and regular street trikes are still sold and made.

I don't see why off-road three wheelers aren't still made. Even with the old specs for the most part, just make sure they have reverse.

[3wheelmecca]

I heard that another 10 year extension was put on. Maybe my report I am finishing will bring them back since it shows how unnecessary the ban was and how the manufacturers can fix it by educating new riders and bringing the recreational world the unsung hero of the trails and tracks.

[atctim]

There was a piece of legislature that passed last year that included the youth atv ban (known as CPSIA). In this piece of legislature it states no off road 3 wheeled ATVs will be allowed to be imported anymore.

CPSIA can be found here:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/atvoverview.pdf

look at page one and page 6

No this will not expire.!

[3wheelmecca]

is it permanent or will it expire?

[200x_rider]

The are trying to kill are breed man, First the trike, now there going for our youth so the wont have experience or any encouragment to ride a quad or trike.(We should make a commercial we can all pull togeather a million bucks)

[PAPA250r]

i have been a long time quad and dirt bike rider . recently started to ride trikes . all i can say is that i have been missing out !! they are so much more fun the quads . its like anything else ride smart and you wont get hurt !

[Fungo Wizard]

Better yet 200x rider, we should all run for congress and reverse the ban!!

[Vealmonkey]

Sorry 200x rider, please do not lump me in with your "are breed", OK? And as far as alot of todays youth, you can have them too. I am an enthusiast, not a breed. Please don't consider us "togeather". Speak for yourself. There are many people on here who don't agree with alot of things I have to say, so I try not to say them so as not to offend others. But I'm really getting sick and tired of people of the "us" and "them". There are no clear cut lines of "us" or "them" anymore. And if you make a stand or have an opinion, then others that don't like what you have to say will ridicule you. So please don't be a spokesperson for me. I'll be my own. I'm more than happy to stick my own foot in my mouth and make an ass out of myself if I so desire, I really don't need your help. So let's make this clear right away. And I really don't know of anyone on here who has authorized you to be their spokesperson either. If anyone on here would like to have 200x rider for their spokesperson, please feel free to speak up. Otherwise 200x rider, lets nix that "are breed" crap, OK?

[300rman]

They need something to do, rather than bother with trikes. even if the ban wasnt there, jap made trikes simply would never come back. great dream, but no.

kind of like all the new regulations pertaining to lead paint, painting, scraping, and contractors dealing with said materials. lead simply isnt a threat anymore, yet they keep looking for more ways to expand government fees, fines, taxation, and the governments size itselff, all while using all these outdated dangers.

If they really cared, they would dig up and replace all the water pipes that are buried underground that are made of lead. think they dont exist? think again. the water main coming into our house was lead until we replaced it.......there are a lot more out there than you may think or care to know.

[JoeyStacks]

Sorry 200x rider, please do not lump me in with your "are breed", OK? And as far as alot of todays youth, you can have them too. I am an enthusiast, not a breed. Please don't consider us "togeather". Speak for yourself. There are many people on here who don't agree with alot of things I have to say, so I try not to say them so as not to offend others. But I'm really getting sick and tired of people of the "us" and "them". There are no clear cut lines of "us" or "them" anymore. And if you make a stand or have an opinion, then others that don't like what you have to say will ridicule you. So please don't be a spokesperson for me. I'll be my own. I'm more than happy to stick my own foot in my mouth and make an ass out of myself if I so desire, I really don't need your help. So let's make this clear right away. And I really don't know of anyone on here who has authorized you to be their spokesperson either. If anyone on here would like to have 200x rider for their spokesperson, please feel free to speak up. Otherwise 200x rider, lets nix that "are breed" crap, OK?

seriously?

[honda200x1987]

I just don't fully understand this BANN, it's BS! If I ever win the freakin lottery or become rich. I will pay to have every freakin part that was discontinued made again even if I don't make a dollar, just so we all can enjoy these machines.

[TheRealFatShady]

The funny thing is that I just started to ride three wheelers for the first time this year, 2010. The only times I have tipped was when I was testing the limits of myself + the machine, none of which has injured me. I don't see how people managed to mess this up 20+ years ago to get them banned in the first place.

[Frankencelery]

If you read the history, they say that quads were already outselling trikes by the time the ban went into place, so there was no real financial incentive to keep selling three wheelers. I think the writing was on the wall, and it was obvious that the lawsuits were going to start coming fast and furious. It wasn't going to pay to keep making them, because the "facts" proved that 3-wheelers were dangerous, and the manufacturers were gonna lose bigtime in these lawsuits. Anybody who has read the CPSC reports know there's a lot of bovine excrement in them, but the fact remains that 3-wheelers tip over more easily than 4-wheelers. That combined with the injuries and deaths of stupid, drunk, high, or inexperienced riders created a momentum that wasn't to be stopped. Know what that reminds me of? Global Fricking Warming! Start with a little bit of truth and build a whole industry of BS and FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) around it. Say it often enough and it becomes the Gospel Truth.

So much for my tirade, but think about this...the ban was lifted for over a decade. Where are all those trikes the public have been demanding?

[Vealmonkey]

I enjoy riding whenever I can. I'm not a millionaire. I don't have to have every part remade. I just enjoy what I can with the constrictions I have. I don't destroy others property. I don't ride down city streets. I don't tresspass onto people property where I'm not wanted. I have a streetbike that is way louder than any trike I have. The areas I ride, I have permission to ride. I try and make sure I wear a helmet wherever I ride. I have let others ride my trikes to experience what I experience. I try to help other board members with info or parts when I can, even though sometimes my info isn't always right. I even enjoy the oddball trikes most people don't like. I have trikes my friends wives have ridden. That's an enthusiast. All the ban was, was an agreement between the big 3 or 4 manufacturers. And it worked out in their favor as 4 wheelers were coming into the picture anyway. And if you think any manufacturer is going to go backwards in technology as a whole or jeopardize the other items sales in their product lines, then you're not too smart. Trike riders on a whole are a very small percentage of the recreational vehicle segment. And trikes and trike riders are getting less and less every day. It would be nice if the factories would provide more parts support, but it is what it is. Some makers have remade some parts, but I'm sure it's not a very profitable enterprise for any big maker to try and find molds that were probably destroyed many years ago. Alot of the nos parts were tossed out by dealers before many members on here were born. I happen to be old enough to remember when the only trike was the honda 90! I sat on a rode trikes when they were new on the dealership floor. I remember when the 185s and 250r came out. I remember when 3wheeling and dirtwheels was on the newstand or in the magazine section of the grocery store. It's nice that alot of people are getting started in trikes, but face it, the heydays are over. People are doing what they can to keep their machines going and some people are restoring trikes with parts that just no longer exist and pay big money to do it. Alot of these parts are coming from people houses, or behind their shed or out in the barn. Parts from dealers are getting fewer and fewer. The hybrid trikes are really the wave of the future. And the quads they are made from aren't cheap. But at $1300 bucks for a set of nos 86 350x fenders, compared to what quad rear fenders are new, well a hybrid trike is more of a reality every day. Also, you have alot more to learn before you become anybodys spokesperson. Put in the time. Open your eyes and ears and mind and close your lips and learn. If you are a true enthusiast, it will be in your best interest. If not, well, that's up to you my man. Show us what a contributor to the boards you can be instead of drama. I can tell you I will have a greater respect for you if you do that instead of coming on and spouting off.
And by the way JoeyStacks....Seriously.

[broook]

I happen to be old enough to remember when the only trike was the honda 90! I sat on a rode trikes when they were new on the dealership floor. I remember when the 185s and 250r came out. I remember when 3wheeling and dirtwheels was on the newstand or in the magazine section of the grocery store. .

Ah! Yes, the good old days. When I bought my new 81 185s everybody thought I was nuts. Comments like," What the hell is that thing in the back of your truck", and, " You wasted your money buying that thing". Two years later everybody that wanted one bad enough had one.

[Taiser]

Heh Heh, same here when I bought a spankin new 200 in '82. I lived in a small town and me and a buddy with a 110 were the only machines in town. We'd be zipping around with other buddies on enduros, CR's and YZ's and such.

Within a year or two our town was overwhelmed by the trikes, trails were everywhere. You'd go zipping around in the back 40 and run into a dozen guys or so just exploring, group up and decide to go on a ride to nowhere and your were gone for the day. Never see that anymore, even on quads. When I go visit home and take my dad's quad out, I'm lucky to see one or two people out and that's on a good day! Most of the time all I see are overgrown trails that I use to ride. Just not the same anymore... :(


Ah! Yes, the good old days. When I bought my new 81 185s everybody thought I was nuts. Comments like," What the hell is that thing in the back of your truck", and, " You wasted your money buying that thing". Two years later everybody that wanted one bad enough had one.

[cox]

^^^Completely agree^^^

[live2rideatc]

Are you really gona cry over somone saying breed?

[3wheelmecca]

There needs to be some way Billy can submit the Consent Decree and our input to an origanization, Once my essay is done, hopefully we can get this straight.

[rickybudz]

Hey Mecca, when are you going to be finished with your essay? I would really love to read it, as many other would also?

[tyler250rissick]

with all the improvement and science they can make a lil pussy bike for people who want to ride them and let us ride are's. and i swear to god on my trikes grave if they ban youth i will , i cant say i dont want the cia busting through my windos. you guys never seen this lol

[Jeddy31]

VealMonkey i dont recall him saying he wants to be a spokes person for anyone, maybe he is the one who wanted to just contribute money towards the commercial, which I'm sure he wasnt being entirely serious.So Who cares dude, thats not what this thread is even about, if you have a problem with him saying it, leave it out of the freaking forum and PM him...people aren't coming on here to read that stuff. PM him with your ego next time instead cuz im sure people dont wanna read about it.

[tulsamike3434]

VealMonkey i dont recall him saying he wants to be a spokes person for anyone, maybe he is the one who wanted to just contribute money towards the commercial, which I'm sure he wasnt being entirely serious.So Who cares dude, thats not what this thread is even about, if you have a problem with him saying it, leave it out of the freaking forum and PM him...people aren't coming on here to read that stuff. PM him with your ego next time instead cuz im sure people dont wanna read about it.

thank you!

[live2rideatc]

ok so maybe your not crying but i do hear alot of bitching over someones spelling. He's not a spokesperson for anyone and neither are you so basically you getting all pissy over somone saying "our breed" or "are breed" ( you obviously knew what he meant) is pretty dumb.

[Mr_RPM]

we are all getting worked up over the bann of trikes, because we all love them so much and know they are slowly dying, we need to all be friends and be happy because we all have 1 great thing in common, we love 3wheelers.
i think a part of trikes being as fun and cool as they are is because they are dying. its like the guy who owns a old ford model T, if ford still made them today then it wouldn't be so special to have one.
trikes to me have become part of the same group who collects old classic cars. if all these classic cars came back then they wouldn't be as special. this is how i feel anyway.

[Frankencelery]

Let's not make it into a flame war. Vealmonkey's response was a little strong, but I agreed with some of what he said. Many of us have strong opinions on stuff, and most of it doesn't matter a hill of beans, but it should be fun to discuss and even argue, but respectfully. Ricky, I'll bet you're just glad it wasn't you that got beat up this time! :lol:

[hublake]

Much ado about nothing!!

[live2rideatc]

You're right - I'm dumb so I'll keep my opinions, crying and pissing to myself.

ok good at least you realize it now

[live2rideatc]

ok good at least you realize it now
oh and if you were wondering its "opinions, crying,and pissing" little english lesson but watever just sayin

[ilmoakw]

I agree to disagree. The ban will never be lifted. The best we can do is keep our trikes in proper repair and even bring some others back from the dead. Off topic a bit, I think we should have a separate forum where people can trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro and whine about the retarded stuff that gets drug into the important areas. That way if people want to read that BS they can. Personally I don't.

[tyler250rissick]

oh and if you were wondering its "opinions, crying,and pissing" little english lesson but watever just sayin

dude come on who care's if you the smart one. i cant spell ether. and i think watever is spelled like whatever just saying bro!!!! but the form is talking about the ban. so back to the ban

why haven't they baned dirt bikes an atv's, at the dunes ive seen guys get hurt on atv' then three wheelers. then i was sitting at a drag hill some guy on a banshee was talking crap to a guy on a tri z. they raced and the banshee guy rolled his bike

[honda200x1987]

It's a real shame and we all know the big 4 will not repoduce the ATC again but we can keep our trikes we have. We must keep restoring trikes and hope some vital parts like plastics and tires etc will get reproduced for the future of the ATC. It is a passion we all share or we would not be on this site. 3 wheeler world is the best site and most informative for all of us. It is great that companies like MAIER PLASTICS are making parts for us to enjoy but who knows how long they will keep making them. I am enthused by the original parts made by Honda and I am a big fan of the ATC 200X,ATC250R and the ATC350X. I am aware that the cost to reproduce the original mold for the 85-86ATC350X or 86-87 200X rear fender,ETC would be from $30,000 to $40,000 and would have to sell from $300-$400 each but I don't have the funds to back it up or I would. The 1973-74 Honda atc70 fenders were reproduced to the exact oem look by a member on eBay "kb748" and I hope more guys like him will do more. Maybe a rich enthusiast will come along and shell out the $ to have a much needed parts made. We are fortunate to have people like brad "200x350xtriz250", a member of 3WW who paid for the mold of the 86-87 ATC200X fuel tank shouds and sells them for a very low price. The bottom line is to keep those trikes alive.

[tyler250rissick]

damn straight some day. i was like i wish i was rich. id build bikes and sell them for cheep i wouldnt care if i made money. id get all the part restarted and yeah haha one day it will happen. people still love them cpi i think it is would make this bike if no one liked them

[tyler250rissick]

this one lol

[TrailerRider]

Well I just looked up the CPSIA under the ATV section and I will quote the section I read direct from CPSC's website:

Section 232 also prohibits three-wheel ATVs from being imported into or distributed in the U.S. beginning September 13, 2008 until there is a mandatory standard for three-wheeled ATVs.

The GAO must conduct a study of the utility, recreational and other benefits of ATVs and the costs associated with accidents and injuries related to ATVs.

http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/sect232.html

They are not banned. That is lingo. They are stalling to provide the "Requirements..." typical..

Billy if you are reading this right now check your email I have a peice of news that needs to be added to your articals asap.

-Rich

[honda200x1987]

Thanks for the info Rich !

[Frankencelery]

Hmmm....that actually doesn't sound like a ban. I don't know if I understand what they have to do to develop standards though. Doesn't it amount to the same thing? Either way, the only 3-wheelers that will be produced are Chinese ones, which like their quads haven't really impressed us all with their quality and reliability.

[TrailerRider]

The standards will be stuff like age to engine CC requirments, training requirments, atv speed ratings, atvs use standards and atv contruction builds standards etc...

[honda200x1987]

From what i gather, I have seen the recent videos of the public meetings on ATVs. The 3 wheelers are NOT banned ,they just cannot be imported to the U.S.,they must comply with CPSC standards before they can be imported with like age requriements,training, etc like Rich said. So it is a possibility that maufactures like Honda will make the ATC again and as you all know there were no new 2010 sport models on the dealership showroom floors due to the fact of low sale volume. They were only offering the 08,09 models etc that were not sold and still sitting on showroom floors. In the past Honda was building prototype ATCs LIKE THE 200R and no one knew of this, so they could be building protoype ATCs now and we wouldn't know. This may sound far feched but a possibility, this is just my take on this, right or wronge.

[BigRed1984]

I don't know if anyone here is seriously thinking about taking up the fight to bring back three wheelers, but if you are, you can't sound like a whiny teenager texting on your cell phone at any time. You have to be well-spoken, well-written, eloquent, rational, and level-headed. You have to be PERFECT in your argument if you want to stand any chance at all of making a difference. If you take any of what's being discussed here public, the way it's being discussed, you will just get laughed at and shown the door.

[three_wheelin45]

Ok before yall blame 200x_rider. DONT it was me who wrote that stuff on his account (note he was with me and gave me permisson, i didnt wanna take the time to log out) so if u got your pantees all bunched up at 200x_rider you need to make it torwards me.

zack,

[three_wheelin45]

Show us what a contributor to the boards you can be instead of drama.

your the one who made drama out of it.

[rickybudz]

Let's not make it into a flame war. Vealmonkey's response was a little strong, but I agreed with some of what he said. Many of us have strong opinions on stuff, and most of it doesn't matter a hill of beans, but it should be fun to discuss and even argue, but respectfully. Ricky, I'll bet you're just glad it wasn't you that got beat up this time! :lol:

Yeah, Man! The thing that sucks, is my post went from informational, to sh*t! I think Mecca should post his essay, and put this thread back on the right track!(hint hint)

[oldskool83]

1st off i think when posting these repeative non sence posts it just starts to eat at the member who really know about the sport for years. 2nd it happened, it wont get turned around. 3rd if you cant come to grips with there will never be a nother new 3wheeler then go build your own and vealmonkey stated.

does it suck 3wheelers got banned? shure does but make the best of it, have parts reproduced as much as posible and move on with life.

how im going to go look at quads parts i want to swap out for 3wheeler parts on my 200x....geeze!

[rickybudz]

Old skool, I like you, but some of us are new to the forums. We don't have all that knowledge that some of the older guy on here have! How did you learn your history? I am sure it was in the 1800+ post you were involved in, right? I think if some one wants to be educated on any topic involving 3 wheelers, that it would be you guys with the knowledge who would share, instead of complain about repetitive post! You know you have to learn to crawl, before you walk, and someone who is already walking has to show you! I do agree with who ever posted it earlier, the God complexes and ego trips in these forums are ridiculous! I bet 90% of this tuffass crap wouldn't even be an issue if the topic was discussed in person! That I guarantee! NO POINT INTENDED! I am just saying. The more people we have involved in these forums, the better chances we have at comming up with solutions! So you older members need to welcome the newer member a little better with respect. STOP running them off! Cuz you were once the new guy yourself!!!!!!

This is why Jennybudz don't even come in here no more, you guys jumped on her and she lost intrest in this site all together! Not to mention, they are producing trikes as we speak, they are just japcrap trikes! Check the net and you will find them!

[TrailerRider]

Well I am going to throw my 2 cents in here as well. I am by no means a long time member. I don't claim to know sh!t about sh!t. I personally like these threads and this is why. 3 Wheelers were condemned long ago by bs reason. For those crazy, hmm that really does not sound right anymore now does it considering the info I stumbled upon yesterday, how are we crazy?! We do everything else everyone else does, go to the same places etc.. etc.. ok sorry got off track there. These kinds of posts are good to have around. Why? Because it keeps the real information in the public’s eye and fresh in their mind. It also gives us ammo to defend our sport, our passion if you will.

The Chinese trikes may be junk and they may not be i don't know I don't own one. This much I will say *when the safety standard comes into effect (I will write one myself and submit if I have to with or without help from mems here) the Chinese trikes will lead the way into 3 wheelers coming back. Once the big companies see the standard and they are no longer liable for the RIDER mistakes they will start making them again. Let give an example. A company brings back an old model car, say a charger or mustang that has not been in production for since the 70's. It follows suit of the old models body lines but with a new twist, now the car is safer, handles better, more reliable, faster etc.. What happens? People go oh my god they are re-release the 68 ford mustang and bringing back the 5.0HO motor with twin turbos and pushing 500+ horse power stock. You then hear about all the dealers getting back ordered for the new stang.

This is what will happen when 3 wheelers are re-released. You can bet you last dollar it will. How many of you in the 80's can remember the dunes being covered with drag trikes, regular dune runners and all around cursers? I can't but I have seen pics on the net and it is remarkable. The CPSC made it sound like they were illegal and they were not and still are not.

If anything that should come out of this is getting rid of the stigma that they are dangerous and hazards to anyone that rides them. Hell I remember reading 1 of the reports that a little kid ran into a 3 wheeler that was parked and the trike got blamed for it. Now I ask how is that right.. I know that the cpsc will never actually have a safety standard study done and that’s why us (or me I guess) will have to take it upon ourselves to build a standard, training videos etc..

Oh man can you image what the new ones would look like? Low, wide, sleek, fast, stable and beautiful. Do we dare talk about the cc we would be getting into now!?! Dare I say 400's and above. The utility trikes would be freaking awesome. Tons of power with at least 400lbs less then the current utility quads. But again this has all been talked about already, still cool to dream though

All that said I think these threads are fine. That why billy has created the article for the decent decree to get the truth out there!! It again keep things fresh in our minds and gives us ammo to defend.

[inv3ctiv3]

Well I am going to throw my 2 cents in here as well. I am by no means a long time member. I don't claim to know sh!t about sh!t. I personally like these threads and this is why. 3 Wheelers were condemned long ago by bs reason. For those crazy, hmm that really does not sound right anymore now does it considering the info I stumbled upon yesterday, how are we crazy?! We do everything else everyone else does, go to the same places etc.. etc.. ok sorry got off track there. These kinds of posts are good to have around. Why? Because it keeps the real information in the public’s eye and fresh in their mind. It also gives us ammo to defend our sport, our passion if you will.

The Chinese trikes may be junk and they may not be i don't know I don't own one. This much I will say *when the safety standard comes into effect (I will write one myself and submit if I have to with or without help from mems here) the Chinese trikes will lead the way into 3 wheelers coming back. Once the big companies see the standard and they are no longer liable for the RIDER mistakes they will start making them again. Let give an example. A company brings back an old model car, say a charger or mustang that has not been in production for since the 70's. It follows suit of the old models body lines but with a new twist, now the car is safer, handles better, more reliable, faster etc.. What happens? People go oh my god they are re-release the 68 ford mustang and bringing back the 5.0HO motor with twin turbos and pushing 500+ horse power stock. You then hear about all the dealers getting back ordered for the new stang.

This is what will happen when 3 wheelers are re-released. You can bet you last dollar it will. How many of you in the 80's can remember the dunes being covered with drag trikes, regular dune runners and all around cursers? I can't but I have seen pics on the net and it is remarkable. The CPSC made it sound like they were illegal and they were not and still are not.

If anything that should come out of this is getting rid of the stigma that they are dangerous and hazards to anyone that rides them. Hell I remember reading 1 of the reports that a little kid ran into a 3 wheeler that was parked and the trike got blamed for it. Now I ask how is that right.. I know that the cpsc will never actually have a safety standard study done and that’s why us (or me I guess) will have to take it upon ourselves to build a standard, training videos etc..

Oh man can you image what the new ones would look like? Low, wide, sleek, fast, stable and beautiful. Do we dare talk about the cc we would be getting into now!?! Dare I say 400's and above. The utility trikes would be freaking awesome. Tons of power with at least 400lbs less then the current utility quads. But again this has all been talked about already, still cool to dream though

All that said I think these threads are fine. That why billy has created the article for the decent decree to get the truth out there!! It again keep things fresh in our minds and gives us ammo to defend.


I can guarantee you that 3-wheelers will never be made again by the big 3. I highlighted the reason why, and the reason is 90% of the world believe that they are extremely dangerous to ride and they will tip over on you. I can't and don't even want to get into the amount of people that ask me "aren't those really dangerous" everytime I tell them I ride an ATC. That stigma has and is going to stick with them and that's because 3-wheelers ARE dangerous when compared to a quad (for an un-experienced rider) and they will tip if you don't know what you are doing. This seems to be left out of all these threads and that is that an ATC can be harder to ride then say a quad and they can and will tip over on you if you don't know how to ride them. And that was the problem when they came out, there was no quad to learn on and an ATC is easier and safer then a motorcycle but people didn't realize that you have to lean and do certain things differently then a motorcycle. And you're right the CSPC blew it way out of proportion but the public believed it and because of that they will NEVER be back in production, and you have no idea how badly I wish they would but I am a realist and no that they will not.

[tulsamike3434]

Like i said before it's just like pitbulls! They are great dogs I have never been bit by one and I have been around them all my life. I have seen some bulls mean as hell and talked to there owners and there owners want them to be like that none of mine have been mean they are a family dog, unless you make it mean. I will say they are very protective of there family's. but back to ATC's I have rode ATC's all my life with my dogs lol the only time i have been hurt on my 3 wheeler is when I was doing something that should not be done on them. and had I been on a quad i would have been hurt as well.

[tulsamike3434]

P.S. the only thing I hate about my pitbulls is the trash the back of my fenders when they chase me and bite the fenders lol but I have a old set of fenderz for my 110 i ride with the dogs.

[atctim]

I will start by saying I wanted to "quote" and comment on the "japcrap" comment above. Uh - all the Jap trikes are the best ones - the USA made ones were like all the weird looking ones with briggs motors in them - Not sure where that "japcrap" came from???????? Who knows

Anyways - I am gonna throw my opinion out for the dogs to chew on. I feel that trikes will not ever be produced again and here is one reason. The majority of die hard trike enthusiasts already complain about the high prices. I can assume if a new TRX450R MSRPs at around $7800 - then a new Sport trike would retail around say - $6500. Now - we trike people like the used bikes for around - $1500 - $2500. You know what.......someone, well actually a lot of people - thousands to be exact would have to purchase a "new" trike to even be worth the tooling and manufacturing of building just one new model. I remember when one of the China companies was offering a kit to do this - everybody jumped on the band wagon until they saw the price tag - which was roughly $2500. Then only 1 person out of the 10,000 + members on here bought one.

There are a few people out there building conversions and selling them - these are not flying off the shelves people.

If Any of the ATV manufacturers was to start building trikes again - it would be the biggest money pit for that company. We all would say - oh the new trikes are out - but I am gonna wait a year or two and buy one used for less money. Guess what? Someone needs to buy it new before it can be sold as used!

Much as I hate to say it - this will never happen. As someone mentioned - it is seen as a model T - cool to collect, fun to drive, awesome stuff - but no one is gonna pay new car prices for an old model T - the market is not there.

[Jeddy31]

If all they have is tipping and flipping for reasons why trikes are dangerous (not sure if those are the only reasons)...what the hell is a dirtbike??? lol the only thing keeping those things from falling over is the rider....but besides that lol I think that if they did remake them their sales would sky rocket, even if they only came out with some limited addition trikes or something. I know i know..."it'll never happen"....but a man can dream lol:cry:

[inv3ctiv3]

If all they have is tipping and flipping for reasons why trikes are dangerous (not sure if those are the only reasons)...what the hell is a dirtbike??? lol the only thing keeping those things from falling over is the rider....but besides that lol I think that if they did remake them their sales would sky rocket, even if they only came out with some limited addition trikes or something. I know i know..."it'll never happen"....but a man can dream lol:cry:

What makes you think that? TPC currently offers a 450r trike that is pretty much EXACTLY what honda would release and I think there are only 4 of those built and 2 of them are race trikes for their team....ATCTim is right when he said there are conversions out there and people aren't really going crazy to get them. I'd love to have a TPC450r but don't have 7-8k lying around for one and most other people don't...The only thing different if they were at a dealer would be financing but that would not make them sell incredibly well. We are a very small niche and the public do not like 3-wheelers due to bad and bullshit publicity.

[Mr_RPM]

What makes you think that? TPC currently offers a 450r trike that is pretty much EXACTLY what honda would release and I think there are only 4 of those built and 2 of them are race trikes for their team....ATCTim is right when he said there are conversions out there and people aren't really going crazy to get them. I'd love to have a TPC450r but don't have 7-8k lying around for one and most other people don't...The only thing different if they were at a dealer would be financing but that would not make them sell incredibly well. We are a very small niche and the public do not like 3-wheelers due to bad and bullshit publicity.

well i have never even heard of this till now, and I try to follow up on the whole atv scene with magazines and my father works at the local dealer. so maybe a bit of it is no one even knows what this is, and where would i get one?

[inv3ctiv3]

well i have never even heard of this till now, and I try to follow up on the whole atv scene with magazines and my father works at the local dealer. so maybe a bit of it is no one even knows what this is, and where would i get one?

http://tpctrikes.com/

[denn]

Ok, this post needs to be put to bed. Its getting stupid. I do not have 10,000 posts but I can tell you this, I have been involved in this board since before you needed to be a member. Back when the top 3 were Threewheelio(RIP), Howdy, And billy Golightly. This board and ONLY this board is responsibile for what 3 wheelers have become today. Every single person here is here either beacuse they have a LOVE or interest for or in 3 wheelers. Every other board, not to put any of them down, have stemmed from here. This board goes back further that the membership does. This is not a topic that has not been beaten to death years ago. There are guys on here like myself that grew up on 3 wheels. Not to disrespect any new riders. But I assure you this, if there was any way that 3 wheelers were going back into production these guys and this board would have accomplished it long ago. It has been a hard fight and a harder defeat. How many people remember the petition that this board started to send to the cspc. 1000's of signatures saying bring back 3 wheelers. Nothing!! If I remember correctly someone here maybe billy, actually contacted the cspc or was going to have a lawer contact them. NOTHING!!! Complaining about it on the board is not helping anything. I'm @#$%ing pissed I didn't hit lotto yesterday. What am I going to do about it. Play again. This board and its members to include the founding members and ones there after have put nothing short of 110% into this matter and got shot down numerous times. It is a fight that the older members are tired of fighting and learned to accept. It is now a bitter subject. To the newer members, same way I am going to play lotto again is the same way you can purse this matter again. Instead of complaing here, complain where it matters. Put forth the effort. Not to say you are going to lose. You may win and we would forever be grateful. We all want nothing more than to see this a reality. Think about how much that !@#$ing stupid Yamaha would make if they would produce plastic again for the Tri z. People pay 300 dollars for a piece of NOS plastic that 10 years ago sold for $60 at the parts counter. Don't you think that would be a sign to the big 3. Were asking for bikes and cant even get a 17 dollar side scoop. I don't mean to be on a rant here but again, there are people here with the up most PASSION for these machines, I am one of them. Nobody wants and wanted it to happen more than the people of this site. I am sure they will gladly pass the torch and the fight down to the next generation of members here. Sorry if i offended anyone but god dam I feel better! Denn

[tyler250rissick]

I will start by saying I wanted to "quote" and comment on the "japcrap" comment above. Uh - all the Jap trikes are the best ones - the USA made ones were like all the weird looking ones with briggs motors in them - Not sure where that "japcrap" came from???????? Who knows

Anyways - I am gonna throw my opinion out for the dogs to chew on. I feel that trikes will not ever be produced again and here is one reason. The majority of die hard trike enthusiasts already complain about the high prices. I can assume if a new TRX450R MSRPs at around $7800 - then a new Sport trike would retail around say - $6500. Now - we trike people like the used bikes for around - $1500 - $2500. You know what.......someone, well actually a lot of people - thousands to be exact would have to purchase a "new" trike to even be worth the tooling and manufacturing of building just one new model. I remember when one of the China companies was offering a kit to do this - everybody jumped on the band wagon until they saw the price tag - which was roughly $2500. Then only 1 person out of the 10,000 + members on here bought one.

There are a few people out there building conversions and selling them - these are not flying off the shelves people.

If Any of the ATV manufacturers was to start building trikes again - it would be the biggest money pit for that company. We all would say - oh the new trikes are out - but I am gonna wait a year or two and buy one used for less money. Guess what? Someone needs to buy it new before it can be sold as used!

Much as I hate to say it - this will never happen. As someone mentioned - it is seen as a model T - cool to collect, fun to drive, awesome stuff - but no one is gonna pay new car prices for an old model T - the market is not there.

im one of those guys who are like ill wait till next year. but theres guys who buy new bikes all the time. im 16 i cant buy a new bike haft to save. but my fresh year i did a job shado at cycle sports. a guy brought his 08 bike in and traded it for a 09. they haft to have the new and best thing it will always be like that never will change. but in away your right.

[code200k]

im one of those guys who are like ill wait till next year. but theres guys who buy new bikes all the time. im 16 i cant buy a new bike haft to save. but my fresh year i did a job shado at cycle sports. a guy brought his 08 bike in and traded it for a 09. they haft to have the new and best thing it will always be like that never will change. but in away your right.

dude i cant read that and i write pretty bad also.

[250 big red]

im speaking up

[Dirtcrasher]

I agree wholeheartedly that hybrids and utilizing newer parts on our machines is our only option.

I imagine the people that pay 1500$ for fenders are collectors. And they will always be a trike collector and they have the financial means to do so.

Every year more and more guys are figuring out ways to "adapt" other parts or half-a-quad :lol: into well handling three wheelers.

Sadly, I can't see any hope for some of the hardtails and lesser displacement machines. To keep them running, as parts disappear, guys will have to get together and have some things machined, vac formed and even cast into something that can keep them alive.

We won't ever see a mass produced trike again. I've said it before; IMHO, trikes are very stable when just sitting there. You hope on one, make vroom vroom noises, rock it around and they SEEM stable. We all know that they take a bit more effort to turn, jump and land straight and so on. I think partially what happened was people felt they were stable, hopped on them without helmets or with passengers and then tried to turn at speed or encountered an off camber situation but didn't know how to use there body weight to keep it from flipping.

I'm sure many of you have seen someone ride a trike 30', took a corner and rolled over. Or, put their feet down for balance when they weren't aware that a tire would soon suk them under and those and other situations caused accidents. I honestly place it all on the riders and there lack of experience and or safety gear. We can't back up time and educate people so that this never happened. All we can do is try to move forwards with what I and others have mentioned in this thread.

It hurts me too, I'd love to be able to get a brand new trike with shiny on/off switches etc. But, if you swap a few wires around, you CAN get that shiny new switch to work and your own skills determine how well it fits,looks and functions.

I have basically BEGGED people to read a manual before tearing into their trike, but some people aren't built that way and I can't make them do it, I can only suggest it. As an example, for years we could get new 250R left cases, so why bother to adjust that chain? replace those bearings? or repair that case? Unfortunately it seems like trikes get treated like the parts will never dry up and many people look at them that way...... Fenders are one thing, accidents happen, things break. Many of us have not made it up a hill climb or gone too fast in rough terrain and lost some plastic; Thats just a part of riding..... But, I think allot of parts breaking is due to the owner themselves with no one else to blame. A little maintenance goes a long way and when the part is gone, it's GONE!

Are my trikes prestine? NO. Do I ride them? YES. Do I push them to the limits I would with a similar 2010 quad? YES. But, it's my feeling that if I take care of them and use my head that I'll have them for many years to come. And if I can't get fenders somewday, I too will be using trash cans cut in half for a fender :D

[250 big red]

im 14 ive drivin a 250 es since i was 5, the ban is bull trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro, and now they want us (as minors)to not even get on them anymore since everthing is dangerous nowadays...some one need to tell the government to step out of the box, besides laws only stop honest people. like they say"locks only keep honest people out".

[three_wheelin45]

Honestly now that I think about it, I hope the dont make em again cause everybody would get them and ride them crazy like back in the day. Then more people would die and it would even give them a worst name and it takes hard work to make trikes sick ass cause any one can go buy a sick ass dirtbike or quad off the show room floor. So it makes us smarter cause we know how to work on them and make em kool (well most of us do anyways). So if the made trikes again all them cool 3wheelers wouldnt be nothing cause you could just go buy one. So were actualy kinda lucky that the quit makeing them. So the wouldnt get worser names and it gave us the diseplin and skill to take the time and build a trike.( It may not make sense to yall but it makes damn well since to me)

[TrailerRider]

OK here is some more info I found .. a snippet from the Letters of May 18 and July 22, 1998 describing the undertakings of Honda Motor Company, Inc and it's intensions (Full PDF for all ATV Manufactor here http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/foia98/fedreg/fedreg.html

[TrailerRider]

Now tell me Honda had no plans of selling 3 wheelers in 1998 when the decree expired. Honda awaits the standard for their atc's..

[3wheeledjunkie]

I see one problem with your idea. If the ban was over Honda would make a Goldwing trike. All the Wing trikes you see are aftermarket kits. Know the reason why Hartley and Can-am are the only comapnies with factoy 3-wheelers. Because Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Yamaha all signed an agreement to ban 3 wheeled vehicle production. But since Neither of the other 2 companies signed they are legally allowed to produce a trike. Our Honda service rep as told the story a million times, cause people freak out that Honda hasn't jumped on the Goldwing trike market. Honda studies have shown then would sell damm near more trikes a year than their 2-wheeled counterparts. So why aren't they poducing them, huh, they're not legally allowed too. The little snippet, if true is what Honda has done of recently. Wait and see if the other big 3 get stomped on it. That's why Honda waited so long for the Side-by-Side market. They wanted to wait and see if they ended up like our beloved trikes. And if it don't stop pushing the speeds of these things they could end up like us, searching ebay everyday for that one piece to finish there RAZR restoration. That paragragh just said if the others can get away with it, we'll hop in, but only after we know we won't get screwed. I can only hope if they do make trikes again, that they are full of the latest goodies. Full aluminum frames, UNI-cam motoes, fuel injection independent rear(which I don't think would go well, but anyways), and for the utility trikes, electric shift, maybe Power Steering (be awesome, but again somewhat dangerous), brake lights. But i'm not to sure I like the idea of the sideways engine in a trike, to wide. But would love to see a Brute Force V-twin or Artic-Cat 1000 trike, also a 700xx trike would be nice. But if Honda does what they have done, if trikes are introduced in 2011 again, for instance it be 2014 or 2015 before you'd see any ground-braking Honda introductions.

[TrailerRider]

I took it as honda wanted to release but couldn't due the standards. It just seems to me that the typical cpsc crap, delaying the process to keep them gone. I read the honda letters (see the link in the post above for honda and all other atvs companies where I quoted) and seen it as honda is stuck, trying to plead with cpsc to get the standard so they can sell the bike again. I do have to agree with you about the statment about if another company sells them and nothing is said that they (honda) reserves the right to sell as well. It did sound a little like they want to see what will happen. But the fact they are pushing for the standard tells me (agree if you will or not) they have the want to release them again. Read how much training and safety advertisments they where using, who they blame for all the accidents etc.. if nothing else it is a good read for a bit of history of the honda atc demise.

[TrailerRider]

also I have to agree with the example that some people have to have the newest of everything. Heck my brother and cousin have to have the newest of every bike/quad. My cousin has traded his quad in every single yr for the newest model. Used bikes will be out real quick and think about returns and repo's. Those can't be sold as new. Honda was offering payment plans for bikes as well.

[HIK6911]

Three Wheelers will always have their place in history, past, present and future! I believe the Decree ended in 93'. So anyone can manufacture them again. But the controversy over these awesome machines is to troublesome with the general public and Manufactures. It is sad that we will always continue to pass laws, regulations, decrees, bans, etc. to protect ourselves from ourselves. There will always be arguments of anything, and everything, with nothing. It is in the human nature. I just like to ride my best, while respecting my machine, nature, the property I am riding on, and sharing a good time with friends and family!!

[3wheelmecca]

Three Wheelers will always have their place in history, past, present and future! I believe the Decree ended in 93'. So anyone can manufacture them again. But the controversy over these awesome machines is to troublesome with the general public and Manufactures. It is sad that we will always continue to pass laws, regulations, decrees, bans, etc. to protect ourselves from ourselves. There will always be arguments of anything, and everything, with nothing. It is in the human nature. I just like to ride my best, while respecting my machine, nature, the property I am riding on, and sharing a good time with friends and family!!

Right there man, you said it all, thats what its about, enjoying yourself. I salute you. nice job.

[haggard 2hundie]

take it easy cannonball run, u talk about not ridiculing people but thats what trailprotrailpro doing, i have experienced some intollerance here too we r not all perfect and some of us are new to this maybe you should roll one up to ease the hostility a bit , i think 200x rider is just saying we should b united as trikers and it is us against them ( the non trikers ) ill ride wit ya 200x

[haggard 2hundie]

right on i think veal monkey rides a quad... prob a utility quad that never gets dirty.

[350Kris]

Everyone needs to ask themselves one thing....if trikes were still being produced (and if there was never a break in their production) would they still be as appealing as they are now to us? I don't know about all of you, but I've made a life out of being different. Riding my ATCs fits right into into my approach to life. We are different. Embrace it. Enjoy it. Do what it takes to make it last. Ride on.

[MudBug]

right on i think veal monkey rides a quad... prob a utility quad that never gets dirty.

Wrong. I suggest you go through his started threads and look at some of the sweet trikes this guy has. I'm not siding with anyone, just saying that you should get your facts straight before trying to bash someone. I mean come on, Veal even has a Tiger!!! :D

[honda200x1987]

OK here is some more info I found .. a snippet from the Letters of May 18 and July 22, 1998 describing the undertakings of Honda Motor Company, Inc and it's intensions (Full PDF for all ATV Manufactor here http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/foia98/fedreg/fedreg.html

hmm, a glimmer of hope that it is possible the Honda ATC will be manufactured again. All we need is one company to make them, maybe the chinese will make a trike and pave the way for Honda's comeback. That would be awsome! Great info TrailRider. Check post #63 for an enlarged image,

[Grizzlypeg]

hmm, a glimmer of hope that it is possible the Honda ATC will be manufactured again. All we need is one company to make them, maybe the chinese will make a trike and pave the way for Honda's comeback. That would be awsome! Great info TrailRider.

That's too small to read. What does it say?

[matt86200x]

check post #63 for larger picture

[honda200x1987]

That's too small to read. What does it say?

yes,see post #63 for a larger image.

[fabiodriven]

right on i think veal monkey rides a quad... prob a utility quad that never gets dirty.

Big words newb. You have no idea who you're talking about.

[yooperman]

lots of god info coming out of this thread but im sorry guys it is starting to sound like high school stuff with all this bashing, with the he said she said stuff were all (most) of us are adults here to become freinds and learn a thing or two about these machines and im slowly starting to get to know more and more of you guys on here which is great cause if i get stump on something i just ask and some on if not many people get me an answer to it which is great where else is there a place like this where there such a big group of people spread out world wide that can actually get together and discuss things and and every one have the same interest's in mind.

it is great i love this site i would have to say its been the best thing ive joined cause i am deployed rightnow over in iraq and i spend lots of time on this site reading what every one has to say and i can say i am learning lots on all the aspects this is awsome close knit thing we got going on here. and they all say in the service is like brothers close nit. this is actually a way tighter group here on this site then it is here i am at cause lots of it here nobody has a hidden agenda in the service i dnt care what anybody says 99% of the people have a hidden agenda well thats my 2 cents and i hope i get to know more of you guys on here een maybe set up a ride some time nowim done rambling lol