Am I A Tratior?

[Tecate250]

Well been a somewhat proud owner of 3 tecates for a while. Has alot of problems with mine. Still love the thing and to me its the best handleing bike ever. The layout everything. Even the color.:naughty: But lately been looking at a 250r real hard. Its not mint. Either is my tecate.:naughty: The guy wants to trade me but there are a few issues with the r. First off the frame has been welded a few times. DID HONDA MAKE A GOOD STRONG 250R FRAME? Like everyone I have seen ther frames were garbage. I have 3 tecates and no way are they anywhere near as bad as the rs.
Here are some pics.
Wonder if it could be a 87 atc 250r:naughty::lol::crazy:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/250r10.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/250r9.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/250r7.jpg
Yeah I know it has a 85-86 seat cover. Im kinda digging the white and blue.

[Dammit!]

You have to beat a 250r pretty bad to break the frame. Maybe up in that part of world it's more common due to rust but out here you rarely see broken ones. Usually just bent subframes from people looping out on them.

[factoryX]

Frames are cheap, so I would say go for it. some questions to ask. whats been done to the R? where was it welded? Has he replaced bearings (front hub, rear carrier, swing arm bearing, etc.)? are the scoops and headlight shell painted?

[fordnut79@hotma]

whats up buddy?
Not an 87 , i've been looking at this one ,i'm local
seems a bit rough
maier plastics and an oversize tank in white
look me up if u get it, i'm about to recieve a roller with extra parts if you need stuff
Halifax

[fordnut79@hotma]

And yes you are a traitor....glad to have you in the front lines.

[fordnut79@hotma]

If the frame is not broken you can always save it (geometry stays intact). Ive go 2 that are broken near the exhaust and that broke the backbone ; had 1 break in the 90's too. If u need frame sections i can help keep it alive.Long live the "r" ;and the tecate too,and the tri - z too,and the tiger too , and the cagiva too......long live TRIKES.

got your back if you get it

[MudBug]

get it and bring it over to me and ill pay to fix up your tecate :naughty:

[harryredtrike]

im partial to the r but it is your choice

[JohnR.]

Luckily no one told my R that its frame is junk so it hasn't cracked. Please, nobody tell it. :)

I did a bunch of laps on the ice on my T3 this weekend for the first time in a long time and it really does work very well. Its pretty much stock with a tired engine but it does handle very well. I think my R is easier to ride fast. Of course the big motor in the R makes a difference but the R is a little more civilized. I think with a well built 250 in both of them a great rider could go faster on the T3 and an OK rider could go faster on the R.

John

[Tecate250]

Well I guess the bike is not in very good shape at all.It comes with 2 sets of rear rims. 2 oem and 2 aluminum. The pipe I was told was a cr 250 pipe all fabed up. He plans on putting a stock one on it. Plus he dont have papers. I know my tecates are not hot. I ran the Vins awhile ago. And my first impression on a 85-86 250r is that it feels like im sitting on the gas tank. It didnt feel good for me at all and im 6/2.I was told it has the axel nut welded on???? Hope its not on good. The rs didnt they have that weird nut to lock the axel?

[Dirtcrasher]

Yes they have a weird lock nut, but it works - aside from some meatballs who cannot understand it (heaven forbid they read up on it 1st..............)

The 250R frame was VERY strong and can take allot of abuse, so you may want to consider that within the purchase.

Sometimes cracks come from people leaving bolts out (such as in the upper motor mounts, or some people are dumb enough to only put 3 long bolts in the motor mounts and call it a day......, also running poor shocks etc. etc., ya can't always blame it on the frame. Sometimes it's the lack of someones previous brain :D

Now, the 350X frame on the other hand...... :lol: junk on the left vertical rail! How can a 100lb motor use ONE back motor mount? Honda? Anyone? Bueller? Honda? Where arrrrre you :)

[factoryX]

if it is that bad I would bail.

[RodKnockRacing]

its all about the price for me ill buy anything if they want to let it go for cheap like my 200x i paid 45 bucks for and it was a mess

[code200k]

i would trade for it IF your t3 was in the same shape.you got three t3s so it is not like you wont be able to find another t3 soon.

[Tyler 54]

something to think about, that front end looks like its off an air cooled air.

If it is it will have a single claiper piston. The wheels looks like an older style.

good luck!

[factoryX]

no its the right year forks..

[Tecate250]

Well still not sure when I can get it. That tank is it a larger tank? Made by who? I have a swing arm off my other project if there is something wrong with this one. I didnt know parts were interchangable with the older 250rs. Anything else anyone can pick out?

[factoryX]

I don't know dude looks pretty close to stock....
http://www.vintagemotorsports.net/images/gallery/86-250r_lg.jpg
by the way that tank is not stock..

[MagicJames]

Oversized clarke gas tank

[Kintore]

I got some parts that could help ya out with that if you needed it.

Mainly a stock exhaust?

And if your buddy can hook you up with a frame, id be all over it!
I owned 3 86's Tri Z's the "best" year. Went to a 85 and 86 250r and never looked back. Now I know and Z and a tec are different. But I couldnt be more happier with my 250rs. Yes I snapped a frame, but 4th gear pinned step ups on a 2 season MX frame will do that!

I say do it, R's are harder to come by in Canada, and theres ALWAYS parts!

[Tecate250]

Well Kintore. Thanks for the possible use of the parts. The 250rs around here are not very rare at all. Hell even the Trizs are not as rare as people claim. So the front end is the right one and the tank is a large capacity gas tank? How much does it hold? Looks like the forks are leaking on it too. Im glad its not red. I like the look of the blue and white. It will look nice all dirty.

[Dammit!]

That's a 4.0 gallon IMS tank. Your knees might not like it but I believe you can get an OEM replica in white from Clarke if you ever decided to do so.

I'd ditch the 250sx spray painted headlight.

[Tecate250]

hahahha. Yeah. well In not into lights too much. im the guy leading with no head light and some have a hard time keeping up. Must have some night vision in me. Heres another one for you guys. My mitchell 8 inch tecate rims. Will they fit? As I remember the 250r had 9s that year? So how much did the stocker hold for gas? My tecate is a jewl when it came to gas. half a tank and could go all day. How bad are stockish 250rs are on gas? I feel stupid cause i usually skipped the 250r section unless it caught my eye. Been with team green too long to even remember the rs. 85 and 86 swingers. Are they the same? Or will still bolt up?

[Tecate250]

Well still havent heard back from buddy. Damb tecate stator plate rattled loose on a run up the lake. I thought she was done. Its like stupid stuff happends to this bike and wont die. Im not trying to but you cant kill it.

[Tecate250]

Well still havent heard back from buddy. Damb tecate stator plate rattled loose on a run up the lake. I thought she was done. Its like stupid stuff happends to this bike and wont die. Im not trying to but you cant kill it. But still wanting the 250r. Something else to :wondering

[Tordeur]

TRATIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol

I am tratior too!!! But inverse of you,....I ride HONDA,...and yesterday i bought a TECATE kxt250 '84,...and you know what the frame was welded at many many place,..

Never seen that on HONDA frame,...Héhéhé!!JK!

Sériously dont pay it too much if it dont have the paper,..and bad frame!

[Tecate250]

Ah mr tratior. At least im going to "better" bike. Funny the 250sx is a good cheap look to an r.

[Tecate250]

Well its not looking good for me to switch to team red. So I may not be a tratior at all. Buddy need to sell and I have no cash.

[Tecate250]

Well even worse. the Tecates dead. Died last night about 4 in the afternoon. Friends and family have been notified. And the funeral has no date yet. This came as a tragic lost. Lost compression in the middle of a frozen lake.

[Tecate250]

Well it appears he still wants the tecate. Should be possibly tradeing tomorrow if I can go to digby. He has the clutch case off fixing the kicker spring.

[Tecate250]

Well she is not mint at all. Will need a few things. Im concerend with the rear axel and the sight of no front motor mounts. Here are some pics.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/th_backsideview.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/?action=view&current=backsideview.jpg)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/th_motorout.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/?action=view&current=motorout.jpg)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/th_motor.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/?action=view&current=motor.jpg)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/th_openmotor.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/?action=view&current=openmotor.jpg)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/th_pipe.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/?action=view&current=pipe.jpg)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/th_rads.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/?action=view&current=rads.jpg)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/th_rearend1.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/?action=view&current=rearend1.jpg)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/th_rearend2.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll148/Tecate250/1986%20ATC%20250R/?action=view&current=rearend2.jpg)

[MudBug]

so you finally got it? bout time you got a honda :lol:

[Dammit!]

I have a thread up in the classifieds parting out a 1985 250r if you need anything. It's probably a couple pages back by now. Pretty sure I have motor mounts.

Do you know for sure what year it is? Check the 10th digit in the VIN. It will be F for 85 and G for 86.

[Tecate250]

Havent got it yet. Still waiting on better pics of the trail proed axel nut. I dont want to replace something like that if the threads are messed up too bad. Also the fact that there are no mounts make me shiver. The frame might be in harder shape then he thinks.

[Tecate250]

And to top it off I still have not got the vin number yet. Even trade for my tecate. 2 1/2 hours away too. Lucky i have family down that way.

[Tecate250]

Not happy at all. Buddy pulled out and traded it for a civic. We were going down there tomorrow too. Guess I wont be a tratior.

[Dirtcrasher]

May have been a blessing in disguise??!!

[fabiodriven]

May have been a blessing in disguise??!!

I agree. A Tecate that needs a little work is worth more than an R that needs work any day.

[Tecate250]

hahaha. Thats what my father said. But he wanyed the r just as bad I did. Even went online and looked for parts. Dad would go online to find a scrap yard to put the t3 in. I hate getting my hopes up.

[Tecate250]

Well Funny thing happened. That 250r was traded to a guy up the road. Now wshes mine. Needs somw work but I think it was a fair trade. The rads seem to be very trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro up. Do the coolant lines run like a dirt bike? Seems I have a few more then needed.

[JohnR.]

Take a look on one of the parts lookup sites. I'd bet you can see the hose routing from the parts diagrams.

[Tecate250]

Yeah I seen the seriously messed up routeing of the rad hoses. The more I work on this r the more they are more complicated then a Tecate.I had it out for a rip. Now I have a huge issue. It has a bad base gasket. Removed the motor So I didnt break the head Gasket.and replaced the gasket. Tecates this can be done without removeing the motor or head. Now i had a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro up wireing harness and thought i trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro up where the wires go. I have it where it should be and have no spark. Also befor when it ran it would spark after the motor stopped. Now I have no spark at all. Even holding the plug wire in my hand. Can anyone help me out?

[fordnut79@hotma]

do you have an 85 or 86 wiring harness?

[fordnut79@hotma]

the 86 has 2 wire connectors plugging in to the cdi,the 85 has only 1 connector

[Tecate250]

yeah I have 2 connectors

[Tecate250]

Funny thing is i was always looking for tecate topics mainly. Now that I have a 250r all i look for are r topics.

[fordnut79@hotma]

welcome to the 66 by 72!!!!!!!!

[Tecate250]

Huh? So It looks like my pulse generator is messing up. Reading way to low. Is this a popular part for hondas? A friend says he has a 250 big red stator. Hopefully thr generator will work. Only got to drive it like 5 minutes.

[factoryX]

I wouldn't do that. I would actually start going through the entire bike. as for the ignition I would go for a 01 cr250 set up, unless you want a head light.

[Tecate250]

I went over the bike. I didnt have a 85-86 250r manual so I just used my air cooled one. Seems they have 90% the same wireing. I measured the readings on the 250r one and it dosent read at all. measured my new ricky stator tecate one and the readings go through the roof. This is the reading from the blue and yellow wire from the pulse generator. Im getting spark to the cdi but no power from the black and yellow wire. So im guessing its sending the current but not telling it ti fire. Tomorrow is my birth day and I want to ride it. Have spend 3 days straight on this. Funnny how honda can make things so complicated and kawasaki so easy.Im flat broke and cannot buy nothing for the bike. Almost regret tradeing My tecate for a 250r. Cant even post pics cause the camera is broke.

[Tecate250]

Well I have spark now but only one of them. Yes only one spark. Ive gone over the wireing harness, no spark. Got another pulse generator and now i can only get one spark. Anyone have any ideas?

[Twilight]

mine was like that as well once, it ended up being the flywheel not being on the key. Have you checked?

[Tecate250]

didnt have a puller. I could tighten it up to specks.

[Twilight]

i was able to pull mine off the first time with a think ass screwdriver... it was a last minute thing at the dunes.

[Tecate250]

Yeah I was thinking of that but then I took a step back and thought ill try it a little bit. Prying on the 3 stator bolts of couse. Not the bare cases. Any other cdi box will fit the r. The search menu is not helpful at all. Cant find anything anymore. lol

[Dirtcrasher]

^ I'm right with you on that bud, I can RARELY find an older thread I want to see, no matter WHAT I type in - very frustrating..................

[Tecate250]

Yeah so imight have found some 250r parts. Can the trx 250r ignition system work on the atc? also can the cdi box interchange on them? Hopeing to get a run on it tomorrow.

[Tecate250]

Well It was the cdi box. I had a 83 cdi box kicking around and wired it into that and the bike works great. Mounted my steel rims with bear claws on it. Back to the run flats fo rme. I got a few pics of it last night on a buddys camera. Also cleaneup the wjite fenders and tank. Cant wait ti take it for a deive today in the day light.

[fabiodriven]

Glad to hear it man. I had a feeling it may be the CDI.

[Tecate250]

problem now is it dosent have any power at the top end. Can only get good power in 3rd. Must be the 83-84 cdi box. Glad to have that problem solved.

[Tecate250]

Well got that problem solved but the left rad wont stop leaking. And im all out of jb weld .lol Oh and she dosent like the snow at all with those tires at all. I think i need some 4 snows.