'86 200x HELP!!!!!!

[caponekennels]

just recently bought a 1986 Honda 200x and plan on restoring it this winter...dont know alot about them and i have a couple questions. there is almost a grinding sound coming from the front tire when i take off....1st and 2nd gear i think. also, there is smoke coming out of the exhaust constantly. lastly, back brakes dont work. any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

[MudBug]

lift the bike off the ground and spin the front tire. if there is any strange sound, your front bearings are gone. what color smoke is coming out? there are a few guys on here who know alot about the master cylinders for the brakes, and they will chime in sometime soon

welcome to the addiction :lol:

[caponekennels]

the smoke is like a whitish/bluish color. doesnt smell funny, just smells like exhaust to me. i was thinking the bearings but some guy told me that my forks might be best and thats why. It kinda pulls to the left but thats because it needs air.

[caponekennels]

do you know of any places to get the bearings? this is all that ive found so far
http://www.hyperparts.com/wc.dll?ctwp~getapplctns1~1001~1002~1~0001~000259#0 001

[Trimotomike]

If the smoke isnt black then chances are you need a valve/topend job done on your machine , the grinding noize like he said is probably wheel bearings . If your forks are shot they will either bounce like a pogo stick or freeze up either way forks probably arent the culprit . As for the wheel bearings the first place i would look would be ebay . good luck

[MudBug]

allballs bearings are what I run in the front of mine. whitish blue smoke means its burning oil. your going to need at least a top end rebuild with new rings. good luck :D

[caponekennels]

allballs bearings are what I run in the front of mine. whitish blue smoke means its burning oil. your going to need at least a top end rebuild with new rings. good luck :D

oh jeeze....i guess i have all winter to learn. is it hard to rebuild the top end? i heard 4 strokes are hard as hell to do compared to 2 strokes

[MudBug]

they are harder, yes. but you probably dont need to do anything with the valves, but it couldnt hurt. everything else is simple. just order a top end gasket kit, new rings and if you can get the cylinder honed it would be good but its not necessary. once you crack her open, you will find that its much easier than you think

[matt86200x]

mudbug anymore progress on that 250es you been workin on?

[TrailerRider]

Parts:

Alot here. Where i get my stuff from... http://dratv.com/200x86to87.html

:pics:

[MudBug]

mudbug anymore progress on that 250es you been workin on?

what a coincedince, I just updated the thread :D

[MonroeMike]

Welcome to the addiction.

There's a manual in Dammit's collection.

http://72.52.143.80/~trikes/Manuals/ATC%20manuals/86-87atc200xservicemanual.pdf

[Dirtcrasher]

It's all simple with a manual....

Problem is, if the motor burns oil it msy hsve never been cared for before you. Once oil levels go low, the cam journals starve for oil, the rocker arms and shafts starve too.

It can cost a fortune to fix, but used parts are out there! and the 200SX quad has your same top end.....

Get a manual, read up on it, tear it down and see whats junk..... They build it up to snuff and have a ball!! :D

[Trimotomike]

A 4 stroke rebuilds not as hard as you think, all I ever worked on and rebuilt were 2 strokes until my 185s started smoking . Few more parts to it than a 2stroke but its still do-able if you are mechanically inclined to some extent . Once you rebuild one its cake .

[harryredtrike]

you have good advise already,download the manual and follow.ask questions if you dont know.and rings only go one way,there are three of them.they can not be interchanged.

[200XMichigan]

Just buy a hone, you can get one pretty cheap and then you can hone it yourself. And some how after you re-do one engine, it leads to more. So if you're going to rebuild it yourself then buy a hone, I've never regretted buying a new tool.

[caponekennels]

thanks for evrything! i'll download the manual and then start studying and finding parts!

[caponekennels]

It's all simple with a manual....

Problem is, if the motor burns oil it msy hsve never been cared for before you. Once oil levels go low, the cam journals starve for oil, the rocker arms and shafts starve too.

It can cost a fortune to fix, but used parts are out there! and the 200SX quad has your same top end.....

Get a manual, read up on it, tear it down and see whats junk..... They build it up to snuff and have a ball!! :D
i think its safe to say its never been cared for. LOL its in really rough shape

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=b390a715cc&view=att&th=125701a335324329&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

[caponekennels]

i think its safe to say its never been cared for. LOL its in really rough shape

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=b390a715cc&view=att&th=125701a335324329&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

i dont know how to post pics so here is the links of it.http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=b390a715cc&view=att&th=125701a9f0b89939&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw
http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=b390a715cc&view=att&th=125701b1d5c43c38&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw
http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=b390a715cc&view=att&th=125701d503b2ccc6&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw

[caponekennels]

shes an ugly thing thats had a bad life but i want to restore her LOL

[caponekennels]

on the front right hand fork (when sitting on it) there is oil that leaks out of it also. you can see the brown pad i have sitting on the floor to catch the oil

[Trimotomike]

wow looks like someone got a little carried away with spray paint , what kind of exhaust is that ???

[caponekennels]

wow looks like someone got a little carried away with spray paint , what kind of exhaust is that ???

yeah they spray painted the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro out of it. i dont have a clue what kind of exhaust LOL. everything thats on it came like that. the exhaust says HP1-00 HONDA-NELSON.as soon as i get new plastics i'm going to strip it.my buddy owns a body and paint shop and he said he will paint it any color i want for free. it looks like trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro but by spring time it will look better than new!!:w00t:

[caponekennels]

when its in first gear its like it doesnt want to go....it bogs down and then wants i go to 2nd its fine. is the kit i get called a top end rebuild kit? want are the rings called? piston rings?

[Aka_am]

Yep there piston rings. Your x, doesn't look too bad, you have about what i started with. lol. That 1st gear problem sounds really weird. Maybe the clutch adjustment is off? I still don't know how to adjust it and the manual isn't much help.

[caponekennels]

Yep there piston rings. Your x, doesn't look too bad, you have about what i started with. lol. That 1st gear problem sounds really weird. Maybe the clutch adjustment is off? I still don't know how to adjust it and the manual isn't much help.
LOL what all did you have to do to yours? how long did it take to get going good?
any before and after pics?

[caponekennels]

well, i printed out the manual and was going through it and probing around my 3 wheeler and took the seat off, looked in the air filter box and nothing was there. no filter at all.

[MudBug]

probably a good reason that your top end is toast

[caponekennels]

ordered new air filter today

[Aka_am]

I have a tee shirt on mine right now. the local shop gave me the wrong filter twice, and I havn't had a chance to return it, in like a 2 months. oops