Well, i got it ! [ ATC 200E -84 ]

[ATC_Sweden]

I posted my first thread about a week ago, asking some questions about a Honda.. Well i went over there tonight and bought it from the old man for $350.
Obiviously it is in need of "some" restoration.

And since i am new to the ATC world i am grateful for any tips you guys got concering where to start etc.
Gotta hit the bed soon, almost midnight here in Sweden, work all day tomorrow =)
Took some photos tonight when i got it home, enjoy..
I'll drop by tomorrow when i get home..



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For larger pictures, click here ; http://www.puppas.se/atc.htm

[daniel_250r]

looks like a really nice original machine, and wow how are those tires holding air?

[ATC_Sweden]

Haha, the right one is not holding for long..Pumped it up and it just started leeking all over.. First on the list is to check the condition of the engine, tires come way down at the moment :lol:

[rdlsz24]

Nice!

That would be a 200es here in the states right? 200e was only 82-83 here.

Rob

[Gearheadtom]

Nice!

That would be a 200es here in the states right? 200e was only 82-83 here.

Rob

I've heard of this before here on 3WW. There was an '84 200e made that was the same as the 82-83 200e over here (chain drive, hi/lo, no reverse), but it wasn't sold around here.

[MonroeMike]

Congrats on getting it.

[aldochina]

sweet find man! i wonder how rare they are over seas? Never seen a chain 84, I have the 83, essentially the same machine except you have the 84 graffix. Nice speedo assembly too. thats a plus, and is that a horn?? Looks like it just needs some serious love!!. I would start by breaking it down, probably needs all new bearings, and brakes, clean and grease all pivot points. Obviously new rubber. As for the motor, judging by the looks of it, it is probably fairly low hour, and might not need much. does it turn over with the recoil starter? Carb needs cleaning or rebuild im sure. Check the tank for rust. It is really an easy machine to work on. Monroe Mike here on the boards is an excellent manual source, and is usually right there to offer it. Makes things much smoother when you know what your looking at!! Good luck with it, and keep us posted.

[racerxxx]

Nice find! Doesn't look all too bad. Those first 3 photos look amazing, not sure if it's your camera or the lighting(no I'm not making fun of your drop light lighting technique), but I love them!!!!!!!!! I also really dig your under house lighting looks cool. The photos are almost brochure like.

Just noticed the coil strapped to the frame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aldochina]

good eye racerx, that thing is HUGE!!

[dirt_19]

the pic's do look amazing

[Kwattro]

What camera are you using? And nice new toy too :)

[atctim]

Nice trike - good luck with it. Those are the original tires from 1984 on the back - They are great machines. If you have questions - we can help you here.

Welcome to 3WW~!

[cox]

ya man thats a good camera, or the lighting makes it look really cool. Nice machine. Lol at the tires. Wish i had a speedo, for some reason......

[ATC_Sweden]

Hey !

First off, thank you for the positive comments =)
The camera that i use is a Canon Powershot G7.

Not really sure what you mean when you write "coil" though =/

When i got home from work today me and my buddy carried "the corpse" down in the basement, i'm gonna let it defrost for a while, then i will go down and start pulling it apart.
Stopped by the Honda shop when i was going home to check the price on new tires, two new tires cost as much as i bought the ATC for =)


aldochina : Regarding how rare they are overseas, well they are not something you see everyday here in Sweden. The 350X i really rare, my brother has one though. I bet you guys allready have seen this video ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqERKcDkYNI

That's him, filmed that back in 2004..A nice splash, but in the end, fail :p

Well, gonna go down in the basement now and figure out where to start =)
Thanks for the support so far, questions will pop up :beer

[Youngrasher]

I think he means the massive car type ignition coil that is fixed to the downtube on the frame.

[racerxxx]

I think he means the massive car type ignition coil that is fixed to the downtube on the frame.

Yep, the 12V automotive coil VS. the itty bitty stocker that fits under the tank. As long as it provides the fire is all that matters.

[petesatc]

Europe got the 200e in 84 but not many only ever seen a hand full..that's the best one i have seen in years..let me know if you need any parts....

[ATC_Sweden]

petesatc : Hey thanks, not that far away you and me =)

Regarding the coil ;

Allright, the english knowledge goes only so far you know =)


And now for the goodies ;

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92701.jpg
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92711.jpg
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92731.jpg
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92751.jpg
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92761.jpg
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92781.jpg
Half clean, half..not..
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92791.jpg
All clean..
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92801.jpg
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92811.jpg
What's this ? A 12V outlet or what ? It was behind the light..
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92891.jpg
Not clean..
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92911.jpg
Clean..

This is the state of it now, to be continued..
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92861.jpg

[aldochina]

gettin into it huh? nicer than what i started with for sure. Unfortunately i never took any before pics, but if you do a search you will find my 200e resto thread. Yea, i would try to avoid getting your tires through honda, I think the oem style tires are discontinued, but you should be able to match up the rears with something similar to the front.

[aldochina]

dug up the link for you, sorry about the small pics, i had yet to discover photobucket!!
http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=88858&highlight=200e+restoration

[ATC_Sweden]

Really nice job there !
I would really like to do a total rebuild of my Big Red..The problem over here is that parts for it is hard to come by..

I will just try to get it as nice as possible with what i got. New set of tires and a bit of turtle wax will do the trick :lol:


Does anyone know what the "connector" i found behind the headlamp does ?
I would really like to know =)

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_92811.jpg

[aldochina]

I didnt really buy much, just restored what was there, aside from cables, pads, and bearings. thats an accessory plug, should be mounted by the headlight somewhere, i'll check. All big reds have them, but I have never sen any thing that plugs into them.

[ATC_Sweden]

Allright, does it put out 12V or...what.. ? :)

Tonight's progress ;

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/11.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/11%20(3).jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/11%20(4).jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/11%20(5).jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/11%20(1).jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/11%20(2).jpg


Did not take a lot of pics tonight, simply forgot =) So you will just have to satisfy with some boring photos for now. The engine will get more attention when it's out of the frame, a bit more shiny won't hurt. Just got the worst off for now.

[ATC_Sweden]

Well folks, enjoy !

It's ALIVE ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFO67S_GWQ)



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[85Tecate]

Sounds like you may need to adjust those lifters. I'd bet it would run alot better.

[cox]

I bet your not married, if i moved any of machines in the house i would have to talk to a divorce lawyer, lol. If you are married she is a keeper!!! nice unit, she's coming together!!!

[ATC_Sweden]

There was no airbox / filter on it when i started it plus it's the first time in like 5 years it's been started. Just wanted to check that it starts up and runs, now that i know that i can continue the work of picking it apart. The electric start did not work though..I'll check that later.
This sunday i will get everything but the frame..erhm, what's it called, dont know the word. Shoot sand on the metal so the rust and paint dissapear. :lol:

cox : Well i'm not married, but my fiance is patient with me. What does not show in the clip is the three other bikes i got down there. Nothing more on 3 wheels though :)

The basement is kind of my little dungeon, i also built a home cinema down there.

[MudBug]

its called sandblasted. looking like a good project so far, keep it up!

[ATC_Sweden]

Ahhh, sandblasted..How could i not connect the dots there i wonder :p

Well well, off to bed, it's midnight here..More pics coming up this weekend !

[stoney420]

looks like a good start to a nice project.
the connector you found by the headlight is a 12 volt accessory plug, honda made spotlights and a couple other accesories that plugged into it, they used that goofy style plug so only their hondaline accessories would work and you would have to buy all hondaline. most people take it off and put on a regular 12 volt dc cigarette lighter plug, you can find more info on that by doing a search on the forum for "accesory plug".

[dajeepman]

Kee us updated.. I like how its going.

[ATC_Sweden]

Busy little bee...

The sandblasting has been pushed forward to an unknown date.
But here is some photos of the progress under the weekend..


http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_93331.jpg

Pretty satisfied with the finish i got on this one =)

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_93361.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_93341.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_93351.jpg

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http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_93691.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_93701.jpg

[ATC_Sweden]

I shipped of the frame and most of the parts for sandblasting and painting this morning. I will get the parts back in a week or so i hope. In the meanwhile i got some more polishing to do, and redo the electrical..I have a bad feeling about that one :cry:


I got a picure for you guys, enjoy :)

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/blocket1.jpg

[MonroeMike]

Looks alot better.

[aldochina]

lookin great!! fun cleaning all tose nooks and crannys huh! how did you get the tires off the rims? Did you do it yourself, or take them somewhere? Lools like its gonna be one nice red when you finish.

[ATC_Sweden]

I removed the tires myself.

Yeah i hope it will be quite nice when i'm done, not aiming too high.

Fun to clean ? Actually yes, i find i really relaxing just. Some good music in the background and the hours just fly away :)

Tomorrow i will probably finish cleaning the engine and move on to the electrical.

[aldochina]

What did you use to break the beads on the oem tires? It is very rewarding when you clean evrypiece by hand.

[ATC_Sweden]

Not sure what you mean when you say beads, sorry :(


But i used 3 tire irons, one equipped with a large weight that slides, so you put the tire iron against the tire, and then slam the weight so the tire snaps off the rim.

[aldochina]

you answered it thanks. The "bead " is the thick rubber lip on the inner diameter of the tire that seals it to the rim. So those slide hammers work pretty good then huh?

[MonroeMike]

But i used 3 tire irons, one equipped with a large weight that slides, so you put the tire iron against the tire, and then slam the weight so the tire snaps off the rim.

Could you post a pic of that one with the weight, when you get the camera out next time?

[ATC_Sweden]

I'm afraid not, i borrowed it from my neighbour.. If i will need it when i get my new tires i will take a picture for you then :)

I tried google for it but i did not find anything that looked like it, weird..


Anyway, got some more pics of the progress ;

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/krom.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/wheels.jpg

[MudBug]

looks great! are you painting the frame or getting it powder coated?

[ATC_Sweden]

Hey, thanks :)

Pretty much everything will get sandblasted, then everything will be painted with a colour that has rust-protection in it.
Not sure that is the way to explain it / write it but that's how it is. :)

The thing that worries me is that when i get the stuff back the colours will look so fresh that the plastic will look really shitty.. Plus i need new stickers and that's not goinig to be easy to find. Probably just get some Honda logotype stickers ant put on the gastank.

Now, off to bed..It's midnight and it rains outside, it should be like 2 feet of snow this time of year, but it isn't anymore..Weird..

g'night...

[aldochina]

ahhh!! thats what gives it a little character. I know what you mean though. your decals dont look that bad. You can get reproductions fairly easily for most models, but i'm not positive if those are exactly the same as 84shaft us models. Either way its gonna look awsome!

[ATC_Sweden]

It's moving along..

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/gear.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_93991.jpg
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94001.jpg
http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_93981.jpg


Pretty much done with the engine, when i get the parts back and i begin putting it back together, i will redo the electrical.

[MudBug]

that motor looks brand new! how did you polish it?

[Jim mac]

after all the polishing on the motor, you going to have to rewrap the electical with new tape. Nice job! jim

[ATC_Sweden]

Mudbug :
First i used a steel brush to get rid of the worst, the i used a dremel with a smooth steel brush, and last i used a polish cream called Autosol and some rags. The engine actually looks better in real life, the flash on the camera makes it look worse.

Jim mac :
Yeah, the wiring looks horrible =/
I'm thinking of rewiring it all inside of "flextubes" instead, gives it a more clean look i think.

http://www.klelektronik.se/prodimg/01-23-90-0008.jpg

[cox]

id use shrink wrap, i dont like that flex tube stuff......

[ATC_Sweden]

Well shrink wrap would definetly be much nicer..but, i think flextube is smarter, in my case anyways. Easier to change / add wires with the tube.

[ATC_Sweden]

Hi there !

I got my stuff back from the paint shop, enjoy ;


http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94151.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94171.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94201.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94241.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94231.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/hd11.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/hd21.jpg

[200XMichigan]

Man, I feel like I've been neglecting my 200X (even though I just bought it 2 days ago). That looks so great, its gonna feel great to hear it start and look like new. Can't wait to tear mine down and restore it.

[MonroeMike]

Whoa, that's gonna look great.

[ATC_Sweden]

Thanks guys :)

The last pictures for the night, going to bed now, i will continue tomorrow..

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/hd31.jpg

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/hd41.jpg

All of my toys.

Big Red, Yamaha FS1 -80 with a -09 49cc fourstroke Lifan engine, Xmoto's XB-31B -08, Zündapp KS50 -83 (German bike).

Also including a pic of another room i the basement where i spend a lot of time ;

http://puppas.se/tmp/41.jpg

[inv3ctiv3]

Holy crap that trike is gonna look new! And I love the movie room!

[Kwattro]

Zundapp is nice. My friend in Czech had one. Surprisingly fast for a 50.

[Jim mac]

looking at your build makes me want to go and start cleaning my big red up. jim

[aldochina]

Looking awsome man!! I dig the red fork lowers.

[ATC_Sweden]

Thank you for the comments =)

Yeah the "Z" beats most of the 50s, the one i got is tweaked a bit though. ;)

Today i will put the engine in place, then start working on the electrical and hope to get the starter moving. If not i will probably buy a Lifan 250cc and put there instead.

The fork..Yeah on that note, that was actually i mistake from the paint shop. It was supposed to be the original color red/silver. But i think it looks better this way :lol:

[MudBug]

The fork..Yeah on that note, that was actually i mistake from the paint shop. It was supposed to be the original color red/silver. But i think it looks better this way :lol:

I think it looks better than original colors, ive always liked trikes that were a little unique!

[ATC_Sweden]

Hey guys, i think i'm in deep....trouble..

I started to look at the electrical today and it's a bit hard to understand it..

I got the scheme from the 82-83 200E, and the 84 200ES, but neither is the right one. Because i have an 84 200E, so i don't have a reverse light, but i do have the DC outlet, and some other things differ also, fuses etc.

The problem was that the electric start did not work when i fired up the Big Red, that's why i have to find the problem..:wondering

So, i really dont know where to start..:cry:

[200XMichigan]

Could you give a little more detail? It is the wiring harness that came off that machine, right?

Honda was usually great about not using the same color wiring near anywhere they could be accidentally connected. I put the wiring harness on a Trail 90 that was in a box and just hook up the wires that match in color and you should be good.

Now if its got a different harness that doesn't come equipped with e-start then you'll have to wire it in. Do you have most of the starting system in place? It would be easy and clean to run a starter seloniod off the 12V outlet, that way you wouldn't have to splice and factory wires.

[ATC_Sweden]

Hi guys, the project came to a complete halt a while back. So much to do now when spring is approaching =)
But now things are moving again, got a few pictures for you to show the progress so far ;

http://www.puppas.se/tmp/atc/hd51.jpg

http://www.puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94701.jpg

http://www.puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94711.jpg

This week i will search for a new coil and hopefully finish the re-wiring of the electrical that was a total mess. A buddy of mine helped me and now the electric starter is alive !

Stay tuned !

// The Swede.

[trikes4life]

thats comeing along great, its going to be so worth it in the end.

[honda200x1987]

I have never heard of a 84 200E, A 200ES yes,, it must be a rare 200E indeed. wow..also I just heard from another member that he has found a "crate motor" in the original honda crate for the 1984 ATC200ES BIG RED at a dealership . thats pretty rare to.

[ATC_Sweden]

Well the "ES" as it was called was the American model, in Europe we had the "E" model a bit longer.
Europeans like the chain-drive more then you guys do i guess =)

[MonroeMike]

Looking sharp.

[inv3ctiv3]

I was wondering about this project the other day, it's going to look brand new!

[ATC_Sweden]

Bought some stuff the other day, getting closer and closer =)

http://puppas.se/tmp/atc/IMG_94741.jpg

[ATC_Sweden]

http://www.puppas.se/tmp/atc/last1.jpg

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http://www.puppas.se/tmp/atc/last11.jpg

Got some pics for you guys, and some bad news. Tomorrow the Big Red goes away to it's new home..Yes, i sold it.
Sorry to say for an "upgrade" , i bought a quad instead. On the plus side i made a $800 profit on the ATC, the new owner will finish the work i almost completed.
I want to thank all you guys who helped me when i had questions, i will keep hanging around the forum just because you guys rock at what you do =)

And when i get a hold of an 110cc, i will be back !

[mike1979]

"upgrade"? um no!
But nice work on the trike.

[Taiser]

Sigh, lost another guy to the "darkside". Hope you come back soon with the 110! :)

[aldochina]

shame!! you would have loved that trike.

[Tuxnor]

i also got my hands on a 1984 200E here in sweden,when ordering parts..you must look under 1983
anyway.i have a lot of parts also.
it was european importers buying overstanders wich not sold on us market..they are exakt same as thoose for us market 1983
i also got a Honda 250sx 1985,,its for sale here in sweden