NEW in crate '86 ATC 250R

[Buster Brown]

Ok, this has been posted on a couple other sites. After a search here I didn't see it. So I hope it's not a duplicate thread. Just way to cool not to share. I PM'd the member who claims to know the owner. Maybe he or she is on here and is just keeping this hidden for a few more years. Like a fine wine getting sweeter with time! What do you think she'd bring on eBay, even in the current market? ENJOY!

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[Mosh]

That right there has New Car or College education fund written all over it..Lotsa money in that box.
15K minimum to the guy looking.
Nice!

[Tri-Z 250]

I'm slapping it together and knocking the new off that thing....I'm not much into new bike in a box...got pleanty of old ones:lol:

[Yamaha_Rules69]

I remember seeing this on another site, and the main question that arose was why is the gas cap missing from the tank? That is a sweet find though for sure! Too bad the box is mangled on that side too, but you can see it better that way. I would love to get my hands on somthing like that.

[code200k]

there was a new in box tri z awhile ago on here.cool find though

[MonroeMike]

That is awesome. I'd like to see the final selling price, if it ever went up for auction.

[inv3ctiv3]

Is there a link to the story on this trike?

[Dirtcrasher]

Ya know what the best part is guys:

HONDA even made a good CRATE! :lol: :beer

It's ALL pure beauty!!

[jeffatc250r]

That would look good in my living room!

[HONDALUVR]

Ohhhhhhhhh Snappppppppp !!!! That is just toooo damn sweet ... !!!

[factoryX]

unreal....

[whyzee]

i may have a buyer, is it for sale???

[Derrick Adams]

I would do two things with that if I owned it. First, I would have the outside box reproduced, so that it can look new again. Next I would build a plexi-glass case to put over it and sit it in my living room!

[factoryX]

where do you find these??? do you just go around old dealerships?

[fabiodriven]

I would do two things with that if I owned it. First, I would have the outside box reproduced, so that it can look new again. Next I would build a plexi-glass case to put over it and sit it in my living room!

I was thinking the glass case thing myself, but I'd leave the cardboard out.

[Billy Golightly]

I'll probably get a more than a few eyebrows and be called a blasphemer for this, but I'd put it together and ride the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro out of it!

[Orangecnty250r]

Now thats trike porn!!!!

[NOS_350X]

Im with Billy,

I would RIDE it.

I got a question for the people i have seen say its worth 10k-30k. Who do you think would pay that much for it?

I meen honestly i dont know of anyone thats into trikes enough that would dump that kinda money into something that is only good to look at. Trike guys are typicaly trike guys because they ride. The collectors seem to be into fixing them up just as much as collecting them. There is a big diffrence in paying 2k for a nice R to change a few things to make it perfect and all original, Its another thing to pay 5X that for a piece thats only vaule is history.


Honestly the only people i could see somewhat intrested in something like that would be a dealership like the Kerney Yamaha.

[Mosh]

I remember vaguely, a few hi- dollar sellers selling "Like new" barely ridden 350X's to some hi figure people for between 5-7k a few years ago, and those were used machines. I think there was a NFL football player around here that paid like 8k for a almost new 86 350X.
I would think a deep pocket collector would pay at least 10K for a new in crate machine like that.
But in this economy, 7k to 9k is more realistic, sad, but true.

[whyzee]

i would ride it also, but only in the snow with old plastics on it.

i agree that 7k is the top of the price range

[3Razors]

Guys the difference is with this one is ITS IN THE CRATE! No restoration, or armor-all, or even human hands assembling it. To the collecter it doesnt get any better and will only be worth more as time goes on. And there are people out there with DEEP pockets. I've seen a pair 1986 Honda Z50R's chrome edition in the crate go for $50K. A 1985 CR500 in crate go for $15K. If you are wealthy beyond belief $30K is a drop in the bucket.

And as far as riding it goes that would be quite a waste to me. Crate 250R's just dont grow in the garden guys, there is no shortage of 250r's out there if you want to ride one spend a grand or less and pick one up. Because once its assembled w/gas and started up its no longer new anymore and the mystique is gone and is just like all the other thousands that are out there.

Plus lots of people say oh I have the nicest low hour all original 250R..well none of the those bikes can compare to the like of this cause its untouched straight in the box from Honda.

[tulsamike3434]

if i had 10k i would buy it asap!!!!!!

[seadoo650]

Unfortunatley, anything is only worth as much as someone is wiling to pay for it. I would prolly pay some big bucks for that if I had it to spend. Then I would assemble it and ride it. Not thrash it, but at least ride it around and got my money's worth.

[Orangecnty250r]

i would ride it also, but only in the snow with old plastics on it.

i agree that 7k is the top of the price range


no way!!! some of the big guns with cash still have cash...i have no cash and i would pay over 7 with the opportunity....A new quad cost over that and this is a collectors fantasy

[atcquebec]

i am in for $10000.

[ChrisD]

I'd pay 10k for it.

[brapp]

if it wa smine i woudl sellit back to honda for thier museum mabey get a few bikes i can ride out of the deal!

[Beerside]

I'd part it out on ebay. :lol:

[honda250sx]

The 50 K Chrome special edition 50's never did sell. The auction ended. I happen to know the collector who tried to buy. Same guy had a mint 350x and R as well. 50 K its easy when you got it. I have seen alot of stuff in crates sell astronomically to the gentleman I know. RC51's in crates. CX750 and 500's honda's turbo bikes brand new in crates just to name a few. Its insane what things sell for.

[ATCeeya]

Id call that bike priceless. I dont think anybody could touch buying that bike for only 10k.

[Pafrig]

notice the bike helmet. you need one for un-boxing a 250-r.

[Thorpe]

Dude... Seriously... I got wood from that... I would give up my left nut. I could get by with just one... (for that 250R)

[vintagemotorsports]

Does anybody have the contact info of the owner of this 250r . If so please shoot me an email at mike@vintagemotorsports.net . I need to talk to this guy about this

thanks Mike

[inv3ctiv3]

I wouldn't ride it, all the seals and gaskets are probably cracked and dried up, sitting trike syndrome....After your initial 10k purchase you'd have to go through and rebuild it haha

[keister]

Why would you guys even want to ride it?
There are many mint/cherry/low hour/like new OEM 250Rs out there. You could ride or own one of those if you want to have that "new 250R" feeling.

Once you take it out of the crate and assemble it, it's value goes way down - - right? These guys already opened the crate and presumably took off the gas cap, so did that already lower the price?

[vintagemotorsports]

beleive me this bike will never be ridden , whoever ponies up the $$$ understands the true rarity of this bike , its a once in a lifetime chance to see what a new 3 wheeler looks like it needs to be in a museaum

[Mr. Clean]

Does anybody have the contact info of the owner of this 250r . If so please shoot me an email at mike@vintagemotorsports.net . I need to talk to this guy about this

thanks Mike

I believe this is the original thread.

http://www.trx450r.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=79870&st=15

[rdlsz24]

I would put plexiglass around it and use it as a coffee table/conversation piece lol. I like on that website a guy offered him 3k cash for it lololol

Rob

[RideRed250R]

I would get a new box and put it in the corner of my garage

[bigpimpin]

should of left the box alone

[rdlsz24]

He said mice chewed on it

Rob

[Dirtcrasher]

Have you all seen the money rich people waste such on the show MTV Cribs??

Lot's of people buy things merely to show it off, whether there an enthusiast or not..........

[Tri-Z 250]

I love the link story...urban legends start like this. My buddy...just happend to stop by...dealer just loaded it up and gave it away...never got a bill. Can anyone believe that...come on.:lol: :lol:

Whats funnier is the West Virgina (Cover-up) Chrome strip over the vin / serial # on the box...Whatch ya hidding that for?

[inv3ctiv3]

I love the link story...urban legends start like this. My buddy...just happend to stop by...dealer just loaded it up and gave it away...never got a bill. Can anyone believe that...come on.:lol: :lol:

Whats funnier is the West Virgina (Cover-up) Chrome strip over the vin / serial # on the box...Whatch ya hidding that for?

So the sales manager doesn't get in trouble....why would they give random people on the internet every little detail?

[3Razors]

Shoot you could travel around to different mx and off road shows. Setup a little booth and charge $20 a person to come see it. I know I'd pay up.

I'd also keep it indoors climate controlled. Something like that you have a custom built open section in your house wall to keep it. Like a statue

[Lukeatc185]

i would ride it. but thats just me..

[Bunnyhop]

I know somebody on here that will end up contacting the owner of that R and buy it.

[brapp]

i still say put ti together and rid eit its only money

[harryredtrike]

i would shat all over myself for that find.would buy it in a minute.

[UlsterATCFan]

Some of the coolest pics I've ever seen, if the owner plays his cards right selling that ATC will bring in a crazy amount of cash thats for sure

[factoryX]

i still say put ti together and rid eit its only money

exactly, why would you spend all that money if your not even going to ride it? how many times to you get to ride a zero hour 250r?:TrikesOwn

[Buster Brown]

My heart is still a flutter! My contact paid off. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!! (if you read this) The owner called me this morning about, 8:30am WI time. We have worked out a price for purchase of the crated 250R. He seems like a very nice gentleman who knows what this 250R is worth, but is not completely unreasonable. Though, I'm sure a few would think he is crazy, and mock the situation. He also seems very honest and realizes others will most likely be contacting him now that this has hit the web. He offered me time to come up with the funds and first dibs, so to speak.
Needless to say, I now regret posting this to more eyes. I hope that the members here will allow me to work this deal without meddling. If this deal doesn't go through I will most certainly say I'm out. I know what "crap or get off the pot means"
Thanks guys!
-Andy Seibel

[inv3ctiv3]

My heart is still a flutter! My contact paid off. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!! (if you read this) The owner called me this morning, and we have worked out a price. He seems like a very nice gentleman who knows what this 250R is worth, but is not completely unreasonable. Though, I'm sure a few would think he is crazy, and mock the situation!
Needless to say, I now regret posting this to more eyes. I hope that the members here will allow me to work this deal without meddling. If this deal doesn't go through I will most certainly say I'm out. I know what "chit or get off the pot means"
Thanks guys!
-Andy Seibel

So what are you gonna do with it? Ride it or preserve it?

[rdlsz24]

Dang congrats Andy and hope it works out for you!! Didn't figure that guy would sell, but money talks.

Rob

[jeffatc250r]

Post lots of pics Buster! Very cool that a member was able to get it. Im sure there are a few on here that are heartbroken that they were not able to get it.

[fabiodriven]

I know somebody on here that will end up contacting the owner of that R and buy it.

Well la-de-da Basil. :D

[125Mule]

awesome find, if it was me i would store it in a shipping container (dry and dark). then wait about 15-25yrs just to see what the prices might be for it.

[luke]

I wouldnt ride it, or take it out the crate. If you have the money for a bike like that, you have the money to buy and ride a very very low hour bike, of which, a few turn up often enough !
If you pay $20k for it, then ride it, it's no better than a low hr $5k bike' and you're out £15k , and for what, ONE ride ??
And, you get hated by every one else who wanted it to remain NEW !
Also, i don't think Honda have a stash of crated 250R's from 86 or 87 ? Just my 2c :wondering

[ceaserthethird]

How much was the Price, I don't think any one here has the Cash at this time for this 250R.

Happy to see a member try and buy this 250R .

Keep us posted.

[RideRed250R]

i would think around 9g's


BTW, congrats to the new owner, this is a great find, all I ask is take care of it, i dont want to see this on craigslist with broken fenders and needs TLC in the description LOL

[rdlsz24]

Have you guys seen any of Andy's restoration work? I don't think we will need to worry about this 250R being in incapable hands lol. :beer

Rob

[atctim]

Congrats Andy - I saw your name over on TRX.org before I read this entire post - and thought to myself - who is Andy Siebel - that names sounds so familiar. then I finished riding here. Congrats to you on this 1 in a million find.

For all of those saying - "put it together and ride it" - that so defeats the purpose of owning this. As soon as you ride it - your ZERO hour machine now has hours on it. That would just be foolish. For the amount of money it would take to purchase this crate 250R - you could piece together an all new NOS OEM 250R that you could ride.

Again - congrats - you are among the great ones now!

[ditchmud]

Andy,
Hopefully nobody tries to wiesel you out of it. Unfortunitely there are people here that would try. Personally I wouldn't have said anything about it untill it was in my possesion.

[Dirtcrasher]

IDK why the gas cap concerns anyone..... Besides, it's a plastic tank!

Just like a gas grill, I imagine that there is a box/bag in there with all the pieces to finish it, Just look at the caliper sitting there, it COULD have been bolted on, but thats probably not how Honda rolls.

Any of you guys that worked at a dealer (I know one in here :naughty:) may shed some light on how these crates and pieces are shipped/assembled.

If BB got it, I'm very happy for him. I like the guy, he has a nice personality and does fantastic work. Apparently enough of it to pony up the bucks to buy this.

It's too bad that the little guys never get a chance at these things but maybe we didn't spend most of our life working our arse off to put us in a place where we COULD buy something like this. Not everyone got a handout or a settlement/inheritance, some did, but others did it with hard work.

CONGRATS TO THE PAST AND FUTURE OWNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bunnyhop]

The crates are bolted together and the machine is blted to the crate at certain points. Of course the Honda crate even has welded on nuts, so all you remove is the bolts.

[Orangecnty250r]

Congrats if you can rope that in your stable. I have a feeling this one will be a 3 wheel legend...the god of ATCs to date. Good Luck in acquiring it. When I drove out to OHIO to buy my virtually new 1987 200x I had people trying to buy it out from under me my whole 8 hr drive out. There are plenty of great low hr 86s to ride the piss out of...this one should and will be immortalized forever unless some yahoo wins the lottery.

[brapp]

i bette rbuy my lotery ticket lol and the more i think abotu it lol i have 3 85's to ride i woudl make that one it sown plexiglass and steel cabinent made from melted down yamaha parts lol

[whyzee]

Does anybody have the contact info of the owner of this 250r . If so please shoot me an email at mike@vintagemotorsports.net . I need to talk to this guy about this

thanks Mike

now the big boys are stepping up

[whyzee]

My heart is still a flutter! My contact paid off. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!! (if you read this) The owner called me this morning about, 8:30am WI time. We have worked out a price for purchase of the crated 250R. He seems like a very nice gentleman who knows what this 250R is worth, but is not completely unreasonable. Though, I'm sure a few would think he is crazy, and mock the situation. He also seems very honest and realizes others will most likely be contacting him now that this has hit the web. He offered me time to come up with the funds and first dibs, so to speak.
Needless to say, I now regret posting this to more eyes. I hope that the members here will allow me to work this deal without meddling. If this deal doesn't go through I will most certainly say I'm out. I know what "crap or get off the pot means"
Thanks guys!
-Andy Seibel

Well andy, what was the price? everybody is dying to know.
2 years ago, $15k easy. today if you got it for $10K you did good :w00t:
hope you got it and nobody tried to weasel it out of you.
I had hold of a brand new 86 trx 250R and couldn't even get $10K for it when the market was HOT....but then again , it has that extra wheel problem

[vintagemotorsports]

In my opinion anything under 20K I would call a deal for sure , you need to think of the insane reality of this bike , brand brand new everything , correct color plastics , the tank the wheels , the seat all of this stuff is extinct in the parts world and its all as it came from japan 23 years ago. I have done multiple 15K 86 250r restorations for collectors that yes were practically as good as brand new but still are not .I would give half my collection for this one bike I own a brand new never run tri moto 125 and there is something about a new atc that is so incredible you really have to have a passion like i do for this stuff to appreciate the value here . I deal with some pretty big players that collect these bikes and i know they would pay well over 20K for it even in this economy easy . I would be very happy to see someone get it for a deal but it needs to be preserved as it should .

[whyzee]

In my opinion anything under 20K I would call a deal for sure , you need to think of the insane reality of this bike , brand brand new everything , correct color plastics , the tank the wheels , the seat all of this stuff is extinct in the parts world and its all as it came from japan 23 years ago. I have done multiple 15K 86 250r restorations for collectors that yes were practically as good as brand new but still are not .I would give half my collection for this one bike I own a brand new never run tri moto 125 and there is something about a new atc that is so incredible you really have to have a passion like i do for this stuff to appreciate the value here . I deal with some pretty big players that collect these bikes and i know they would pay well over 20K for it even in this economy easy . I would be very happy to see someone get it for a deal but it needs to be preserved as it should .

FYI, Honda of Japan has NO interest in this bike for thier museum. There are numerous 250R's on this site that are nicer thasn the one in Honda's museum. Don't forget, this bike almost broke Honda with civil lawsuits. To this day they are still being sued for the ATC'S

wow...$20K ....
something tells me andy is going to loose a bidding war. This seller is going to get pretty smart overnight.

Please keep us posted Andy if you end up with her.
I don't know about you guys , but I would build it and use it as a display .

[vintagemotorsports]

I built the 86 250r that honda has in there museaum in Japan, it is by far besides the new one here in the crate the nicest 86 250r you will ever find , I collected parts for over 10 years to build that bike it is almost 100% NOS besides the frame . so the museaum would not have an interest in this one .even though honda still feels the hurt from the lawsuits they still very much want ATCs at the museaum I have restored alot of ATCs for them . Its the private collectors here in the states that would pay the big money for it there are alot of them you would be suprised they never pop up on any of these sites they just have there own little stash and enjoy them for themselves . I wish i had the money to even think of buying something like this but its not going to happen , its just nice to see its out there .

[whyzee]

I built the 86 250r that honda has in there museaum in Japan, it is by far besides the new one here in the crate the nicest 86 250r you will ever find , I collected parts for over 10 years to build that bike it is almost 100% NOS besides the frame . so the museaum would not have an interest in this one .even though honda still feels the hurt from the lawsuits they still very much want ATCs at the museaum I have restored alot of ATCs for them . Its the private collectors here in the states that would pay the big money for it there are alot of them you would be suprised they never pop up on any of these sites they just have there own little stash and enjoy them for themselves . I wish i had the money to even think of buying something like this but its not going to happen , its just nice to see its out there .

I did not know that you built that bike????? WOW! congrats!
Know I am learning some really big players... CV is out as far as I know, he was selling all of his inventory, but then again this one is different, that is for dam sure! WOW!

[vintagemotorsports]

Yup here it is the day it left my shop headed to japan , was a sad day for sure , but I know it will be preserved forever by them .

[Buster Brown]

Well... I have been staying tuned to everyone's thoughts here. I too believe like Mike at VM, it's worth 20K+ minimally. I can't responsibly give the price, as I don't need any ridiculers to rain on this parade, or to ruin any future possible sales. By that I mean, if I'm about to loose my house or a family member needs life saving surgery. I will admit if someone from American Honda came knocking at the door I would give them kind consideration. They are the makers of my hobby/passion after all.
That said I'm currently doing a little research. I need to know the legalities of taking possession of such a machine. These were never to be delivered in the crate, unassembled. Also is this bike possibly missing off of a Honda manifest to be destroyed from back in 1987 ?? Obviously, I would never rat the owner out, but am doing do some due diligence as to not have Honda looking to reposes their old inventory at my loss $$!
I believe in my heart, contrary to my wife and close family, this will be the best purchase of my life! If this deal goes through, this bike, out of all, will be the closest to my heart and will not be assembled under my watch.
As for the Plexiglas idea. I don't think so. Ya know how somethings don't get your heart pounding when you see them every day. I keep everything under cover to bring out on occasion and share with friends. I get the goose bumps like they do when the covers come off. Not to mention everything needs to "breath" a little. Plexiglas would make for restrictive air flow, possibly leading to mold or something.
Well, I'm glad you guys are so positive. Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement! I am so excited at the prospects of owning this little jewelry box! I want to personally thank duner450r & scary132 for there posts!

Thanks everyone!
-Andy :beer

[tanks350x]

I hope everything works out. Deffinately a great piece of history preserved, for such a long time. on another note, 11 people viewing at time of post WOW! :lol:

[adamd]

i know of a few 200x,s that left honda/dealers still in the crate. mine never had the stock pipe, headlight,tail light, backfenders,axle(wich i have and still has never been installed and few other parts put on it tell about 04 original owner raced in 83-86 and built it out of the crate

[Bryan Raffa]

hope you get it buster.. sounds like you would like to keep it in the same ... as when i first saw it .. total drool factor 10!

[duner450r]

I love the link story...urban legends start like this. My buddy...just happend to stop by...dealer just loaded it up and gave it away...never got a bill. Can anyone believe that...come on.:lol: :lol:

Whats funnier is the West Virgina (Cover-up) Chrome strip over the vin / serial # on the box...Whatch ya hidding that for?


tri z...believe it or not, its upto you, but its true. i never thought about it when i first posted this up, but i hope no one gets in trouble over this. the dealer and the owner have been friends for many years, it was not a random "drop by".
also, i wasnt trying to hide anything. since the one side had gotten tore apart, he taped another box over it to cover it up. that was just left over from that.
there are many urban legends...this is NOT one of them!

[Beerside]

Just wondering, but it seems like the front brake line is pretty ugly from what I can see in the picture. A problem we all have on our 250R's and 350x's. And I wonder what kind of decay and deteriation has occured to this machine while it has been sitting on the floor in some damp garage for the last 24 years. Of course the new owner is going to preserve it the way it is in the crate but I think it might still need some kind of freshing up. These plastic, rubber, and vinyl items were not designed to last a hundred years. Im curious to see how all those components survived and what condition they are in.

[whyzee]

Well... I have been staying tuned to everyone's thoughts here. I too believe like Mike at VM, it's worth 20K+ minimally. I can't responsibly give the price, as I don't need any ridiculers to rain on this parade, or to ruin any future possible sales. By that I mean, if I'm about to loose my house or a family member needs life saving surgery. I will admit if someone from American Honda came knocking at the door I would give them kind consideration. They are the makers of my hobby/passion after all.
That said I'm currently doing a little research. I need to know the legalities of taking possession of such a machine. These were never to be delivered in the crate, unassembled. Also is this bike possibly missing off of a Honda manifest to be destroyed from back in 1987 ?? Obviously, I would never rat the owner out, but am doing do some due diligence as to not have Honda looking to reposes their old inventory at my loss $$!
I believe in my heart, contrary to my wife and close family, this will be the best purchase of my life! If this deal goes through, this bike, out of all, will be the closest to my heart and will not be assembled under my watch.
As for the Plexiglas idea. I don't think so. Ya know how somethings don't get your heart pounding when you see them every day. I keep everything under cover to bring out on occasion and share with friends. I get the goose bumps like they do when the covers come off. Not to mention everything needs to "breath" a little. Plexiglas would make for restrictive air flow, possibly leading to mold or something.
Well, I'm glad you guys are so positive. Thanks for all the kind words of encouragement! I am so excited at the prospects of owning this little jewelry box! I want to personally thank duner450r & scary132 for there posts!

Thanks everyone!
-Andy :beer

Andy,

I really wouldn't worry about Honda looking for it unless you brought up a lawsuit.

Wow, I cant believe what I am seeing when I look at those pictures. Thanks for posting, and nobody try and buy it out from him, just be fair!

Mike, nice work on the 250R !!!!

[Buster Brown]

I have been getting some good positive feedback from folks in with Honda and will be hopefully confirming the legalities soon. Soon after, I will most likely be making travel plans to purchase the crated R in person. This may take a little bit to organize, as I will have to take time off from my Buster Brown duties and well..... This week was my last week of company vacation for the year to date. I just may become sick for a few days ;) :naughty: :lol: !
I will keep you all up to date as things progress. Thanks again for the kind words, and encouragement! If this works out I would love to make a debut at trike fest some year with my family.
:beer

[ATCwithdrawals]

Simply unbeleivable. congratulations on the rarest find of all times. Glad to see and hear that it will be kept the way it should.

[Twilight]

I'll say this; It doesnt surprise me in the least that there are 250r's in the crate still, the dumpsters at Honda were full of cut up frames and parts. So maybe one of the bikes didnt make it onto a scrapper truck, or maybe one was sent over from japan for a display model and it never happened.

I know of a fl400R still in the crate that was left in the dealerships basement after sales had stopped, it was meant to be a display and sadly after a flood it was rusted and ruined.

Good luck to you Buster!

[inv3ctiv3]

Whatever happened with this?

[Dirtcrasher]

^ You didn't read the other thread? He got it, then traded it for a Rhino and a nasty mountain bike!! The guy was gonna put it together, he even said he could stuff a 500 motor in it!

Here's the link : http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=266250RSHENSSwapLOL

[HONDALUVR]

link didint work dc

[factoryX]

wtf he was going to stuff a 500 in it?

[shortline10]

^ You didn't read the other thread? He got it, then traded it for a Rhino and a nasty mountain bike!! The guy was gonna put it together, he even said he could stuff a 500 motor in it!

Here's the link : http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=266250RSHENSSwapLOL

I know your sittin back with a big :D on your face Dirtcrasher shens :crazy:

[Micahdogg]

Very cool........first time I've seen what they look like in the crate.

[Dirtcrasher]

^ I have to admit, I never thought they looked that way in the crate......

I pictured the front and rear wheels being off, but not so.

It does make sense as far as keeping it compact and for cheaper shipping purposes though :)

They make a good crate don't they!!

[UlsterATCFan]

Seriously though what is happening with this? Did Buster get it?

[skrep]

These machines are made for riding, not just for lookin' at. Same as any collector car is made for driving. Letting it sit un-assembled and in the crate is a complete waste.

[Dirtcrasher]

^ Your gonna find allot of people that disagree.

We can find mint ATC250R's all day log but not crate 250R's.

It needs to be preserved and possibly displayed. 1st one we have ya know..........

Many people think the original trikes are here to stay. Little by little, they go away one piece at a time.

In time, people will be pissed about the parts they tossed or ruined along the way :P( When they're gone they're gone.........

[mopar_man]

^ Your gonna find allot of people that disagree.

We can find mint ATC250R's all day log but not crate 250R's.

It needs to be preserved and possibly displayed. 1st one we have ya know..........

Many people think the original trikes are here to stay. Little by little, they go away one piece at a time.

In time, people will be pissed about the parts they tossed or ruined along the way :P( When they're gone they're gone.........

I have to agree. Normally, I say anything that was built to be driven should be driven. This is one of those special cases where it shouldn't be. Sure there might be more of these out there but when was the last time you saw one? Keep it in the crate and buy one that's already been ridden if that's what you're looking for.

[Micahdogg]

It just depends on your experiences. If you've ridden trikes for 15-20 years, why do you need to ride this particular one? I can see how some would be more than content to preserve it.

I on the other hand have only had a couple three wheelers in my life - the first, second and FINALLY a third gen 250R. I would be very tempted to assemble it and take her for a spin because at this point in my life, being able to say in 2009 I rode a brand new '86 250R would just be tooo cool.

Either way, I'm glad that I'm not a candidate for ownership because I would be walking on eggshells around it 24-7 no matter if I did ride it or just keep it.

One question I do have for the purests though....wouldn't something like this be of maximum value if it continued to sit exactly as it has? I wonder if the future owners would have it assembled, try to preserve it in its current state. I just can't imagine that 15 years from now, the assembled three wheeler rolling around would be more valuable.

[RedRider_AK]

Many people think the original trikes are here to stay. Little by little, they go away one piece at a time.

In time, people will be pissed about the parts they tossed or ruined along the way. When they're gone they're gone.........

It's interesting to me when we're going to reach that point where everyone is so afraid of wearing out a part or breaking a part that they stop riding altogether... where everything is so expensive, you can't find ANYTHING for the trikes anymore, etc...

And whether or not we'll still be using gasoline as a fuel at that moment.

And whether or not the human race will still be around.

Heh.

:wondering

[Buster Brown]

Well guys, It's a GO! :Bounce
It's been kind of a rough roller coaster ride. I almost gave up last weekend after a long heated discussion with my wife. I even made an "I'm out" call to the owner, only to keep getting his answering machine Sunday. I wasn't going to make an exit like that, so both times I just hung up. Between the stretched pocket book, and divorce prospects (LOL), I was supper bummed!
Monday my sales skills prevailed and I convince the wife to stay on board with the purchase. We are back to green! Well some green.....:wondering

I think Dirtchacer said "
It's too bad that the little guys never get a chance at these things but maybe we didn't spend most of our life working our asses off to put us in a place where we COULD buy something like this. Not everyone got a handout or a settlement/inheritance, some did, but others did it with hard work."

Truth is... I am, one of the little guys. I started back over 5 years ago thinking: I'll just get an old three wheeler to putts around with, thinking of the dreams I had strolling through the dealerships back in the 80's with my folks. Never thought things would evolve to this???:lol: I have had to beg, borrow, and just about steal to make this purchase happen. So much for getting a new vehicle in the near future. I love this hobby so much, maybe too much. Just ask my sweet, understanding wife! I don't come from a wealthy past, or from easy luck, but just a brown, I mean blue collar hard working lifestyle, where anything is possible if you try hard enough! My two young kids still eat well and hopefully will see the fruits of my labor.
So..... I'm kind of glad the owner isn't very computer savvy and is an honest easy going fellow. He has a small list of new contacts waiting on deck, If I bow out. Apparently, the kind member (duner450r) who originally posted the friendly spy photos on TRX450R.org and helped pass my # to the owner, has been getting plenty of PM's over the last couple weeks with other inquiries. The owner could've easily bailed on me and moved on to the next guy. After all it's been almost 3 weeks.
I received a few more photos last night, and though I'd share. You can see by these that some of the usual items show their age. The brake lines are yellowed, and the rear shock bottom bumper is split. Some items were packaged up using regular rubber bands and over time they have dried and let loose. I spoke to the owner again last evening as he walked around verbally inspecting for decay. The fenders, tires, and rubbers all seem to be in good shape. The swinger has a few small surface rust spots. The factory gold paint never was high quality in my opinion, anyway. No clear coat or anything on the swingarms. An alcohol wet nap will easily pull some of the gold paint. Obviously, the whole thing is very dusty, and has a few cob webs. I don't even want him to clean it up, though. It's a true time capsule. :w00t:
I'll be closing on my funds from the bank in a week or so. I'm probably going to just have it shipped via frieght, reluctantly. As things are here now, it will be much cheaper to go this route and well,.....I 'm not up for the 4000 mile round trip!:confused: No vacation time left either. I'll insure it to the hilt! Hopefully have her by Halloween!
Thanks to all those who PMed with advise and other info! I appreciate your help.
Here are the newer pics. :D
-Andy
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[RedRider_AK]

Sweet action!!!!

[Buster Brown]

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[RedRider_AK]

Everyone is sitting and drooling now... yes, the temptation to assemble and ride something like that...

But you mustn't!

[whyzee]

Congrats Buster !!!!!
I have an offer on the table right now for $12500. PM me if you are interested.
WOW, once in a lifetime bike! I definitly underestimated the rarity of this bike. :beer

[whyzee]

very interesting it has the " P/V" writing on the tire instead of the " Pro Vector":wondering

[MonroeMike]

That's just way cool.

[blue27]

nice....very nice!!!

[factoryX]

wonder what conditon the seals are in after seeing the rear shock.

[Brockey]

Wanna part her out? lol, just joking nice sweet find man.

[edog]

Sweet score Buster!!!!

Looks like lot's of Top Rae men Noodles for you for a long time!!!!!

[dcreel]

I'm proud of any man who goes after and achieves what he wants. This is definitely the opportunity of a lifetime, and congrats to you for making it happen. I think if I had the opportunity to own something like that I would knock a hole in a wall and install it there so it could be seen from both sides. Would encasing it in glass or plexiglass and somehow vacuum sealing it help with aging?

Awesome to say the least. Congrats again. :drool:

[The Goat]

Very nice... 12 years ago I knew where hundreds of OEM trikes were sitting in the containers. GN Gonzales in Baton Rouge, he had warehouses FULL of bikes that had just never made it to the floor.

I personally watched the 70+ year old owner ride a brand new Terracross out of the building into a buyer's truck in late 2005. A private sale between himself and the buyer, technically a USED atv.

In 1997, he sold off ALL spare engines, and any trikes that he had available. From what I gathered from the ladies at the sales desk...the majority were bought by the average joe. Sport bikes were NEVER as popular down here as the utilities, and I've seen more than a few Big Reds that certainly don't have 20 years of riding time on them.

I certainly commend you for keeping this one in the crate. The amount of bikes that left crates from one dealership alone really makes you think.

[Dirtcrasher]

Honda made the shock bumpstop out of a burrito.....

I'm willing to bet that the seals are just fine.

What has my curiosity:

Is there oil in the motor? I'm fairly sure there must be...

Is there brake fluid in the masters? It looks like the lines are attached to the brake assembleys, I bet they get bolted on and away you go!

Is the gas cap in a box, was it always shipped that way in a crate??

And I wonder about the chain too, I don't feel like backing up to look, but is it installed and or rusty or ok??

Just curious :D :beer

[Huffa]

If each 3ww member (how many are there now?) would chip in 10 bucks, 3ww could probably buy it, then raffle it off on here.

[Buster Brown]

Honda made the shock bumpstop out of a burrito.....

I'm willing to bet that the seals are just fine.

What has my curiosity:

Is there oil in the motor? I'm fairly sure there must be...

Is there brake fluid in the masters? It looks like the lines are attached to the brake assembleys, I bet they get bolted on and away you go!

Is the gas cap in a box, was it always shipped that way in a crate??

And I wonder about the chain too, I don't feel like backing up to look, but is it installed and or rusty or ok??

Just curious :D :beer


Dirtcrasher- I'm with you on the fluids. Although I'm not sure, and not worried, I'm curious too. I thought about asking, but really don't want any spills or leaks as a result of having the owner check. I'll investigate when I get it. The brakes I'd bet for sure have fluid, but engine oil and coolant, ??? I worked at a John Deere dealership at 18, and set up many new rider/tractor lawn mowers. If memory serves me, I think I had to top off and/or just check the engine oil & coolant, as they were filled and test run prior to crating. Who knows......,though. I'm thinking the brakes would've taken a lot of time to prime up and bleed at set up. Just my .2 cents???
The chain looks to be great with that white greased look. Oh, and he claims the gas cap is in one of the packaged boxes. The tank looks like such a tight fit, that maybe the cap would have added a couple inches to the overall height of the crate. Again, just a thought.


Huffa (QUOTE)
"If each 3ww member (how many are there now?) would chip in 10 bucks, 3ww could probably buy it, then raffle it off on here."


Huffa- That's so funny! I had the same day dream one night while driving.
How about entering the fair grounds at TF and registering for a raffle. One ugly, old torn up box on a snowmobile trailer. :lol:

[lndy650]

If each 3ww member (how many are there now?) would chip in 10 bucks, 3ww could probably buy it, then raffle it off on here.
awesome idea

[brapp]

that is one raffle i would sell alot of blood and sperm and sell off alot of parts to buy raffle tickets for.

[Brockey]

that is one raffle i would sell alot of blood and sperm and sell off alot of parts to buy raffle tickets for.

I with ya there brapp. I'd sell my sole to the man below to buy more tickets.

[ATCwithdrawals]

What a time piece. A real dream come true to any collector. The only way it could be any better is if it was a 1987 atc 250r. But hey, I would be overwhelmed to just find any crated atc. Glad for you BB

[edog]

that is one raffle i would sell alot of blood and sperm and sell off alot of parts to buy raffle tickets for.

You forgot selling yourself,lolj/k

[UlsterATCFan]

Congrats on your purchase or should I say investment, I'd be surprised if you dont at least double your money on this some time in the future (if you can bring yourself to ever part with it)!

[svtkeith]

WOW!! Such an amazing story. I just spent the last hour reading all the origins of this post and ending it here. Haven't smiled like this since my daughter was born. I am very happy for you man. You have a good women for letting you go through with this. I was in many heated battles with my s/o over the purchase of a beat up tri-moto, cant imagine what you went through. Best of luck!

[tecaterick]

Incredible, just incredible!

[inv3ctiv3]

I am guessing this never actually happened?

[leviblue]

I know of one 86 250r and one 86 T-3 that were in crates when I saw them. The R in Georgia and the T-3 in Iowa. I saw the R three years ago, an old freind of my fathers and a honda dealer that stashed away a few other nice toys. The T-3 in Iowa is still wrapped-up and sitting in a shed as I write this. Another dealer who's dealership closed in 90 when the town died. Their out there but alot of times it's like having a HOT piece of art, for you and you only

[85Tecate]

I know of one 86 250r and one 86 T-3 that were in crates when I saw them. The R in Georgia and the T-3 in Iowa. I saw the R three years ago, an old freind of my fathers and a honda dealer that stashed away a few other nice toys. The T-3 in Iowa is still wrapped-up and sitting in a shed as I write this. Another dealer who's dealership closed in 90 when the town died. Their out there but alot of times it's like having a HOT piece of art, for you and you only

Where at in iowa? It may be worth driving to see it and get some pictures for the board members. I would love to see it in person...

[leviblue]

not too far from Fort Dodge.A little north on 20. Last person to find it by acc. was one of the Alscot's. It didn't end good. the old man has a treasure hidden in an old steel shed.I'll be out for Thanksgiving, 4or 5 days, gonna do some hunting on family land .So I'll stop by his place with my uncle and see what goes. I'll pm you if it's cool to get you out there. You know how old men are

[85Tecate]

not too far from Fort Dodge.A little north on 20. Last person to find it by acc. was one of the Alscot's. It didn't end good. the old man has a treasure hidden in an old steel shed.I'll be out for Thanksgiving, 4or 5 days, gonna do some hunting on family land .So I'll stop by his place with my uncle and see what goes. I'll pm you if it's cool to get you out there. You know how old men are


Well hell if youre going to be out there, get some photos! It'll save me an 8 hour trip lol.

[leviblue]

SOMETIMES IT'S WORTH THE DRIVE......But I forget how flat it is out there

[300rman]

SWEET.....:drool:

[Autophysn]

WOW! IMO, the guy messed up by opening the cardboard surrounding it, but hey, guess you have to see inside. Kinda like time capsul.

[Buster Brown]

Crazy day yesterday. Finished 10 hrs driving the brown turd. Got home, went strait to the shipping terminal & picked up the boxed R. Got 5 hrs sleep. Now back driving here & will post the pics I took when I get off work this morning.GOT COFFEE?

[Autophysn]

whoa, you mean you got it? Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
congrats Andy!

[Buster Brown]

Yep, it's sitting in my garage.

[Zach]

oh wow I read all nine pages of this thread, I am in shock I cant believe that is real. Good for you and your wife is an amazing woman. What a find, once in a lifetime!

[petesatc]

pics please Andy:pics: :pics: :pics:

[MonroeMike]

Congratulations on finally getting it.

[cox]

how about some fresh pics when you can??? :)

[Buster Brown]

So here it is....... Really just the same pics as before, but just a different background.
It's pretty dirty, and the cover's getting weak, as you can probably see. Just about 24 years worth of dust settled on this thing. The majority of the bike is coated with a waxy type coating. Maybe it's similar to HONDA wax in a spray can.....after 24 years of decomposition?? Almost like a thin clear fog film. Some of the gas tank and rubber parts are white with this coating, but can be wiped off with a clean towel. She really needs a good cleaning/detailing. I think I'll put it on the top bunk of one of the racks to keep it high and dry, after a meticulous going over. Should make it a little harder for my kids to mess with too. Anyway, I've got to get to bed, so here some fresh pics. I'll be happy to answer anything you guys want to know a little later. This weeks work schedule is a real pain, and is kick'n my @ss!

-Andy :beer

(PS... Can't give how much $. Sorry, privileged info.) :eek: :D



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[Orangecnty250r]

Sweeeet Congrats!! one of a kind right there!!

[petesatc]

Thanks Andy for posting the pics.... all i can say is i want one:D :D :D

[MagicJames]

How does the gas cap look??
Or is it even there? O_o

[atctim]

Andy - Super congrats man - that is as far as I am concerned the greatest find ever on 3WW to date!

Cheers pal! Looks like your collection is looking pretty sweet. How about a short virtual tour of your garage with pics when you get around to it?????

[Micahdogg]

You sir, have a sickness. :) Congrats!

[inv3ctiv3]

Wow I am so glad you go this!

[Twilight]

I must ask... isnt the black engine indication of a 85 model?

[wolfspider]

I must ask... isnt the black engine indication of a 85 model?

i`m thinking its just the darkness of the pics, its a grey 86 engine:twisted:

[Bunnyhop]

AWESOME!!!! I'm really jealous.

[Buster Brown]

Andy - Super congrats man - that is as far as I am concerned the greatest find ever on 3WW to date!

Cheers pal! Looks like your collection is looking pretty sweet. How about a short virtual tour of your garage with pics when you get around to it?????

Thanks guys for the jubilation. I'm pretty stoked. The wife hasn't come out to see it yet, though :wondering ;)
My garage is a mess right now, Tim. I've got like,.... four bikes torn apart and in different stages of slow reassembly. What a mess! On the front burner is my brother's 1990 Suzuki LT 500. He's down at the Gitmo country club, in Cuba. I want to get his quad done by Christmas in case he gets a chance to come home for the holidays. I'll post some pics in a new thread here quick for fun. "LETS SEE YOUR GARAGE/SHOP STUFF!"

Magic James-

The gas cap is in one of the miscellaneous parts boxes. They sure left a lot more to be assembled back then. At least a couple hours of final set up work here.

Oh, and it has fluids from the factory.

[big schott]

Andy,
This is one of the coolest things I think I've seen in a while. It's good to see that this one will stay in the same condition for the next ? years.
I supose I'll have to get another project together so you can Powder Coat another frame for me. (help fund the madness!!!:crazy: LOL)

[eyecekold1]

Freakin sweet. Reminds me of the bikes i used to assemble out of the crate at the chinese dealership (of course there is a huge difference in quality but its still crated the same) Wish I had one. If I ever go back east Ill have to stop by and just drool all over. I'll probably need a bib. Good for you I know I would be way stoked.

[Autophysn]

Dude, You Are My Hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edog]

Time for assembly!!!!!!



What are your plans for it?

[rasorroad250r]

I'd leave it in the crate. Once it's out it no longer is a crated R and it's just not the same. Something about the crate that ads value to me.

[Side Wayz]

All I can say is WHOA!

[3wheeledjunkie]

I work at a Honda dealership and my main job is to set up new units. I am so friggin glad the newer quads come more complete than that. Throw the skid plate, front guard, axle guards and seat on it and it's done. I can usually do 10 of em a day, running ready to go. But that looks like a 2 maybe 3 trikes might get put together a day.

[honda200x1987]

Ok, this has been posted on a couple other sites. After a search here I didn't see it. So I hope it's not a duplicate thread. Just way to cool not to share. I PM'd the member who claims to know the owner. Maybe he or she is on here and is just keeping this hidden for a few more years. Like a fine wine getting sweeter with time! What do you think she'd bring on eBay, even in the current market? ENJOY!

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http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp334/k10seibel/cratedATC.jpg That is simply amazing!! wow! I have never seen a ATC in the crate before. I would bet there are more Honda ATCS still in the crate out there somewhere. That is way kewl!

[200xkwit]

is it legal to say that i would kill someone for that there little crate? ....just throwing that out there :)

[honda200x1987]

Wonder how many more of these trikes are still in the crate out there?

[Fox250R]

I'd ride it too, but thats not everybody..Some people are broke asses and need the money to pay bills LOL

[mykdee]

If you can find smaller dealerships in small towns you can find them! I grew up in a town of 35oo peoplein centeral nevada and we had a honda yamaha dealer and I know the owner has at least 15-20 different 3wheelers from the late 80's because you could not give them away in 86, 87, and 88 to many lawsuits!! So I guarantee there are plenty of bikes out there not put together, because they could not and would not sell them back in 87 88. Alot of the little dealers were afraid to sell them in fear of back lash!

[VenomRS4]

Id take the cardboard off and put it on the wall or something. Then i'd put thick plexiglass around the metal frame and use it as a bar in my basement.

[200XMichigan]

Is it possible there were 2 survivors? Here is someone claiming to have bought one....

http://forums.atvconnection.com/vintage-machines-pre-1975-dirt-bikes-atvs-minibikes-snowmobiles-etc/321685-nos-86-honda-atc-250r-new-original-honda-crate.html

[mopar_man]

Is it possible there were 2 survivors? Here is someone claiming to have bought one....

http://forums.atvconnection.com/vintage-machines-pre-1975-dirt-bikes-atvs-minibikes-snowmobiles-etc/321685-nos-86-honda-atc-250r-new-original-honda-crate.html

That's the same one. If you look at the box, the stain on the top is the same.

[fabiodriven]

Is it possible there were 2 survivors? Here is someone claiming to have bought one....

http://forums.atvconnection.com/vintage-machines-pre-1975-dirt-bikes-atvs-minibikes-snowmobiles-etc/321685-nos-86-honda-atc-250r-new-original-honda-crate.html

Dude, it's the same one.... :crazy:

[AJZ_200X]

very nice. What a find!! I get first dibs on anyone who finds a 350x in a box! Just putting it out there. Im gonna make it my goal this year to go find someone who has a trike in a box and get pictures to post up here!

[kinnr3]

hi guys, I am new to the forums, I just bought an 85R in nice shape from the original owner, with the certificate of origin, his title from 89, owners manual, and honda dealer binder with the 85-86 service manual, tech updates, and also the assembly instructions for the 85-86 model with pictures from the crate, I left it at my dads but can post the pages when I get a chance, I also know where there is a brand new 86R and a 86 tri-z still in the crates, along with some other honda and yamaha rarities, the guy used to own a yamaha/honda dealership and kept a few things when the 3 wheeler ban happened, I would love to get a hold of them, great find Andy, see ya, Ron

[dcreel]

hi guys, I am new to the forums, I just bought an 85R in nice shape from the original owner, with the certificate of origin, his title from 89, owners manual, and honda dealer binder with the 85-86 service manual, tech updates, and also the assembly instructions for the 85-86 model with pictures from the crate, I left it at my dads but can post the pages when I get a chance, I also know where there is a brand new 86R and a 86 tri-z still in the crates, along with some other honda and yamaha rarities, the guy used to own a yamaha/honda dealership and kept a few things when the 3 wheeler ban happened, I would love to get a hold of them, great find Andy, see ya, Ron

Lets see some pics of the crated trikes...

[oldskool83]

I wanna see pics im in lebanon just up the road from lancaster

[fabiodriven]

Who's Andy?

[honda250sx]

Who's Andy?

Andy is busterbrown's actual name John.

[Dirtcrasher]

My actual name is Fabio....... :D

[kinnr3]

I would love to get pics of them for you guys, I'm not trying to start a mad stir for these, I just wanted to say they are still out there to be found, he was a dealer near wilkes barre, pa. We bought our snowmobiles and original 3 wheelers and atvs from him in 1983, 82 tri-zinger, 83 ytm200E, a blaster in 89, a Warrior in 96, his kids used to race bikes, trikes, and quads on the circuit and he has kept some of there machines also, I have seen the race machines for my self, quite a few times when they were in the shop when I would stop in to buy parts or look around, I'm also best friends with his head mechanics grandson and he has seen them for himself, my buddy got a 81 yamaha SRX snowmobile from him that was supposed to be destroyed, but it wasn't, the owner lives in my hometown and I drive by the building they are in (his original shop) everytime I am in town, if I see him outside I will stop and ask him about them and maybe some pictures, I know he will not sell them, I know lot's of people around town who have asked, and he says he is leaving them to his kids and that's that, so that's the scoop guys, see ya, Ron

[fabiodriven]

Andy is busterbrown's actual name John.

Thank you Jeff, and Steve's real name is not Fabio. That's John's name. :D

[Fungo Wizard]

So maybe I am overlooking it, but how much did he have to give for it?

[savage3006]

So maybe I am overlooking it, but how much did he have to give for it?
I looked also and didnt see how much he paid. so dont feel bad :-)

[2Tim215]

As most of us Tracking this auction have probably seen by now there have been 4 bid retractions to Andy's auction as of 9:00am eastern time this morning. I would suggest to Andy to post here in our Forum the eBay user ID's so that any of us here that use eBay can add them to our blocked bidder list. For those of you who didn't know that is an eBay option, it absoultely is and I encourage people to use it as to many of us have been stung. So PLEASE Andy, when this auction is over and settled I ask you to help the rest of here prevent the frustrations you have experienced by posting their eBay user names. I sure hope none of them are members here but if so we should know that to. Hope the auction goes back up and ends with a legitimate bidder! P.S. The last retractor claimed item description was changed and it was not. eBay allows adding to the description but no changes once a bid has been placed. Andy only added a sincere "Thank You" since the last retractor with PRIVATE feedback pulled back their bid. Also the other thread about this wondered about it and if Andy canceled the bid, no he didn't, the bid would say, "Canceled" vs. "Retracted". Personally I believe people are trying to provoke Andy to pull the auction! Just my opinion!

[Buster Brown]

As most of us Tracking this auction have probably seen by now there have been 4 bid retractions to Andy's auction as of 9:00am eastern time this morning. I would suggest to Andy to post here in our Forum the eBay user ID's so that any of us here that use eBay can add them to our blocked bidder list. For those of you who didn't know that is an eBay option, it absoultely is and I encourage people to use it as to many of us have been stung. So PLEASE Andy, when this auction is over and settled I ask you to help the rest of here prevent the frustrations you have experienced by posting their eBay user names. I sure hope none of them are members here but if so we should know that to. Hope the auction goes back up and ends with a legitimate bidder!

I'd be happy to post these guys. Though I will say the last gentleman to have pulled out, I believe to be genuine. He must have gotten cold feet or maybe his wife found out! HA Ha ha!
As for the two previous posts #174 & #175.
You both are looking on the wrong thread. Sorry for the confusion. Try this link, post #141.
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?119547-Here-it-is-250R-in-the-crate!!!-let-see-if-anyone-has-the-money-to-back-up-the-talk.

[tommerp]

Andy - What was your original reserve price set at? :naughty:

[RideRed250R]

may i ask why you are selling it? you seemed to be in love with this bike and want it forever?

[motorhead]

I don't post too often, but this thread has been too amazing; not to say, Thank You Andy.

I don't know Andy,so I am saying Hello. Your auction has keep me sleepless for days; this was terrific. You even kept your cool with some of the detractors; who were jealous to say the least.

Only you can ultimately decide what you will do with the machine. It will only be worth more later.

Thanks for giving us something to dream about.

[dcreel]

may i ask why you are selling it? you seemed to be in love with this bike and want it forever?

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?119547-Here-it-is-250R-in-the-crate!!!-let-see-if-anyone-has-the-money-to-back-up-the-talk./page10

[honda200x1987]

I was in the barber shop and a conversation came up about 3 wheelers. A man in his late 60s swears he knows a guy who has a HONDA ATC still in the crate. The man bought it years ago from a dealership and he still has it but he is not sure if it is a 250 big red or what but he is going to talk to him today. Be interesting to find out if this is true.

[Buster Brown]

Be awesome to see a BR in the crate. Heck anything offroad over 10 years old.
This kind of caught my eye. Kinda want an ol' Wet Bike....
This guy eventually put it together in '06 after having it on display. Maybe some drunk'n night the kids and I will do the same. NOT! :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBfY9lzloMw :drool:

[thestud25]

Keep us posted!!!

[bcredneck]

i realy cant see why every one is going nuts over a box someone needs to put that thing together a never started compete 250R would be way cooler than a box of parts

[honda200x1987]

On one hand you are right, it would be awsome to see Buster put it together and how hard it would be not to but this is a peice of history. This is a rare glimpse of how ATC's came in a crate back in the day. Todays ATV's come fully assembeld in the crate unlike their 1980's counterparts. .... I will keep you guys posted on the other crated ATC we maybe suprised of what model year it actually is ,he was not sure.

i realy cant see why every one is going nuts over a box someone needs to put that thing together a never started compete 250R would be way cooler than a box of parts

[thestud25]

i realy cant see why every one is going nuts over a box someone needs to put that thing together a never started compete 250R would be way cooler than a box of parts

I bet you would touch the Mona Lisa if you could with greasy chicken wing fingers...LOL!!

[bcredneck]

i didnt say ride the crap out of it just put it together

[R-tifacts]

Whats on the left handle bar grip, rope?

[atc350xer]

Maybe some drunk'n night the kids and I will do the same.

You drink with your kids? lol

[Buster Brown]

Had a few cocktails here so bare with me, but a guy just PM'd me tonight about this R he saw on youtube, so a lot of memories/thinking, coming back.
I just reread the whole ordeal here with fond memories. It's been sitting for about two years untouched now. Almost forget it's up there under cardboard, and cover...... ??What to do with it?? Kinda like thinking what you'd do with a winning lottery ticket. Not trying to boast, but I wonder if my kids would appreciate it when I die or if it would just end up on a show like PAWN STARS? What to do??? This will most likley be my big "WIN" in life.Hoosier Daddy
I'm still laughing over this line though......Pretty much sums it up for all the "put it together and ride it" guys!
I bet you would touch the Mona Lisa if you could with greasy chicken wing fingers...
Happy 4th ALL! (tipping a beer back) :beer
THANKS TO ALL OUR ARMED FORCES HERE AND ABROAD! Get home SAFE!

[NINJA]

Put it back on eBay and see what happens.

[Buster Brown]

Boy I'd catch hell, Ninja.....

"you don't even care about that bike"
" I thought you cherished that crated R"

It was a circus the last time around..... Don't WANT to got though that again anytime soon...
I must admit though, when ever a new "big" opportunity get's me going or the wife and I get to argue'n about finances, It sometimes pops in my head.
I suppose it's entertaining to watch, but I don't want to be like the Z50 seller....... Fish'n

[dougspcs]

Boy I'd catch hell, Ninja.....

"you don't even care about that bike"
" I thought you cherished that crated R"

It was a circus the last time around..... Don't WANT to got though that again anytime soon...
I must admit though, when ever a new "big" opportunity get's me going or the wife and I get to argue'n about finances, It sometimes pops in my head.
I suppose it's entertaining to watch, but I don't want to be like the Z50 seller....... Fish'n

Weather thru..try not to think about it. Just know it's there(hope it's listed on your home insurance!!)

Try again in 10 years..You'll see your 75k and people would think you crazy for not selling at that price!!

[Thorpe]

I bet you would touch the Mona Lisa if you could with greasy chicken wing fingers...LOL!!

HAHAHAAA.... Oh thanks, now I gotta clean coffee off my monitor!!!

[Buster Brown]

Big box got a little brother
Just the perfect beginner trike....(LOL)


http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp334/k10seibel/2011frolic023.jpg


http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp334/k10seibel/2011frolic019.jpg

[dcreel]

Awesome! The perfect pair

[NINJA]

Awwwww, that's sweet!

[greenhuman]

I see two 4 wheelers in the background.

[Brokenmike]

I have the Honda dealer set-up instructions for the 86 ATC 250R

[Swinger]

I dont think I could take it. It would sit for a bit then game on, unless I had two of them. Then I could do the showroom thing!

[Buster Brown]

Probably be putting 'er up with a no reserve soon.
Life has it's zigs & zags..... A broken down auto and a good share of bills here. Hate to do it, but need to keep my boat a float and getting real bogged down as of late. The sale would hopefully knock out a bunch of demons that have been haunting us. This would hopefully be the knock out punch we need.....
I'd kinda like to explore some new avenues too. Really like to start fabricating some of my own stuff. Dreaming a little here, but there's always another door that opens when one closes.
Sorry guys, hope there's no ill feelings, as I did really plan on keeping this thing till my daisy pushing days. The last go round on eBay was truly legit, but just didn't pan out in the end. To be honest I wasn't really expecting it to even come close to selling then, but was willing to if it happened. Kinda relieved after it ended up with a flop. Probably pissed off a few prospective parties after the auction ended when the phone rang and I wasn't really in the mood for offers. I quoted a crazy number in efforts to put it to rest. Now frankly I'd almost take a little over what I've got into it, just to make life a lot more pleasant here. I'm still very blessed with a great family and fleet of Rs. My marriage has defiantly suffered over my ATV addiction. Hell I'm almost 2 months sober now from eBay. I've gone cold turkey and it's been kinda nice having more time. Unfortunately spare time now is spent putting in a new transmission in an '02 Dodge neon, that's barely worth the trouble. Just thought I'd explain myself before looking like a greedy attention whore. I'm sure many will still call BS and just scream "bid boosting".
Anyway, I've got to get the dam Neon put back together, allowing me room to get 'er down for current pics, so it might be a few weeks. BIG job here. Neon's getting a new trans, timing belt and a host of other miscellaneous worn out crap. Hope she runs again soon! Keep'n my fingers crossed!

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp334/k10seibel/sarah-1.jpg

[thestud25]

Best of luck Andy!! I can't wait to watch the excitement again!!!

[aldochina]

too bad times are tuff! i wish you the best with whatever happens, wish i could spend all my money on that R, but thats just not reality! seems like alot of work to save a neon, but what do i know!! good luck Andy!!

[3-wheelin]

With the enconomy the way it is I wish you the best of luck. Especially for that little girl. I don't really see what the big stink is over this. It's not like it is an origional shelby or something. It's a 25 yr old sand eating mud slanging 3 wheeler.

Pray for someone wanting to relive their childhood that has holes in their pockets. If you do well I'm sure glad my parents kept an origional boxed nintendo from 1985.

Wont be bidding, but I can't wait to see everyone else spend that cash!

[dcreel]

Making ends meet, and family are way more important than holding on to it. Hopefully it goes to another good home. Hopefully the money helps you start fabrication of your own parts, seeing your pics, builds, and projects I have no doubt the parts you fabricate will be impressive. Good Luck and I can't wait to see the outcome.

[jeffatc250r]

Its a trike that you arent gonna ride, no brainer here, do what you need to do to keep the fam happy.

[DasUberKraut]

All I can say is WOW. This thread has given me my last couple hours entertainment...ups and downs. The whole time I'm just thinking I'd like to visit Andy and see this with my own eyes seeing as I'm only about 5 or 6 hours away.

I'm glad as hell to know this trike brought so much joy to a fellow cheesehead.

[honda200x1987]

It will definately be on my eBAy watch list! Hate to see ya sell it but I am sure it will go to a good home concidering the money it will bring. Good Luck!

[DasUberKraut]

It's a shame we can't all chip in for a drawing at TF or something. There's no way Andy would get what he deserves for it though.

[bkm]

If guys get pissed, its out of jealousy and I say Eff'em. I know the passion you have for this bike as well as all of the other top notch R's you have, but family comes before any piece of plastic and metal. Good luck and remember you are the one who put up with all the B.S. and took the financial risk to aquire this bike. Its time to reap the fruits of your labor and move on and I couldn't agree more.

[edog]

Family first

[justin4]

I'll give you an offer if you want to sell it to someone who will love and keep it like you. By the way I got my powder coating oven up and cooking ,thanx for your info help on that. Pm me your number if you want to talk about a stress free sale.

[thestud25]

Andy, found this today. I don't know if it has already been posted or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCVG8GbHnk&feature=related

[Nubbinz]

I swear I saw it or another in box 250r on ebay and it sold for 50 grand. The story on the one i saw about a year ago was it was used as a demo model, shipped around and put together and displayed, but never started once.

[3-wheelin]

50 grand??!! Either that is not true or people are smoking crack. As much as I like 3 wheelers....it is a 3 wheeler! I wish I could piss away 50 grand like some people do.

[thestud25]

50 grand??!! Either that is not true or people are smoking crack. As much as I like 3 wheelers....it is a 3 wheeler! I wish I could piss away 50 grand like some people do.

No one is smoking crack NOOB! It hit $50k and the bidder backed out! This is a piece of trike history that will never come around again. NOOBS.......

[Buster Brown]

Ha....It's comical to read the twisted up tails from some who heard roomer of "that 3 wheeler on eBay". Guess a 15 page thread is just a bit too much to read.....
I really appreciate all the kind words of well wishes and PMed offers. I would love to sell it to anyone here before seeing it go to a non member, "PRIVATE" collection. Can only hope it would still be kept "as is" and shared with enthusiasts. I've got a few weeks here to give it some thought. Wish i had the capital to start a museum or could lease it to one. I was approached at one point for a future "planned" museum. Sounded like it was a far in the future idea though. Time to get a lotto ticket....
What a dilemma. Funny how things turn out sometimes. Almost a headache of torn feelings. No regrets though!
Thanks guys!

[atc007]

50 grand??!! Either that is not true or people are smoking crack. As much as I like 3 wheelers....it is a 3 wheeler! I wish I could piss away 50 grand like some people do.

Investing in a Oppurtunity such as this is not "pissing money away"... However,,Some Not having those funds shows former knowledge of how to ...

[TatTooL23]

I saw the one get up to $50 grand. Is that this one? U had it for sale then and someone bid that high then backed out? Or there is another one?? Sorry for the questions. Either way....

I WANT IT!!!

[3-wheelin]

No one is smoking crack NOOB! It hit $50k and the bidder backed out! This is a piece of trike history that will never come around again. NOOBS.......


He backed out b/c he realized what a stupid mistake he was making. He probably then went and invested in something that would actually appreciate more than a 3 wheeler. Don't get me wrong, 3 wheelers are great and I own a few of them: 2 Yamahas and 1 250R. But they are just atvs.

A piece of history? I would say it is a piece of history if it were actually rare and older than it is, but it isn't that rare. Who cares if the only people that touched it were some Japanese guys who didn't wash their hands after wiping their butts. The 250r's are a dime a dozen. There are more of those around, in all different conditions, than any other 3 wheeler! I have one in my garage as do many people on this forum. I also can type in 250r on ebay on any day at any time and find a nice one. Don't believe me? Go try it right now. Now if there were one or two made then we are talking rare! But 10's of thousands or maybe even 100's of thousands per year made? For every 1 tecate or 1 tri Z I see 10 250r's.

26 + -yr or two is not relatively that long in terms of "history". Just b/c you are stuck in the 80's doesn't qualify an item as rare or a piece of history. This really is more of a hobby then an archaeological find to study what people were like back in the 80's. You don't have to spend 50k. Just go look on youtube. Technology is pretty awesome.

Now 5k - 12k may be more realistic. 50K, I can't wait to watch some poor fool get screwed b/c he thinks kiss is going to pop out the gas tank high on the fumes and he can rock along. Must be fun to live in that kind of dream world.

Tattool, got some extra cash? I want to buy a new seat for my 250R on ebay. I heard Elvis sat on it and farted.

[dcreel]

He backed out b/c he realized what a stupid mistake he was making. He probably then went and invested in something that would actually appreciate more than a 3 wheeler. Don't get me wrong, 3 wheelers are great and I own a few of them: 2 Yamahas and 1 250R. But they are just atvs.

A piece of history? I would say it is a piece of history if it were actually rare and older than it is, but it isn't that rare. Who cares if the only people that touched it were some Japanese guys who didn't wash their hands after wiping their butts. The 250r's are a dime a dozen. There are more of those around, in all different conditions, than any other 3 wheeler! I have one in my garage as do many people on this forum. I also can type in 250r on ebay on any day at any time and find a nice one. Don't believe me? Go try it right now. Now if there were one or two made then we are talking rare! But 10's of thousands or maybe even 100's of thousands per year made? For every 1 tecate or 1 tri Z I see 10 250r's.

26 + -yr or two is not relatively that long in terms of "history". Just b/c you are stuck in the 80's doesn't qualify an item as rare or a piece of history. This really is more of a hobby then an archaeological find to study what people were like back in the 80's. You don't have to spend 50k. Just go look on youtube. Technology is pretty awesome.

Now 5k - 12k may be more realistic. 50K, I can't wait to watch some poor fool get screwed b/c he thinks kiss is going to pop out the gas tank high on the fumes and he can rock along. Must be fun to live in that kind of dream world.

Tattool, got some extra cash? I want to buy a new seat for my 250R on ebay. I heard Elvis sat on it and farted.

Honestly, I think you are on the wrong forum...

[TatTooL23]

Dcreel u r correct.

What an trailpro. I'm not sure what u mean about the seat 3-wheelin. Just because I say I want it doesn't mean I'm gonna pay $50k for it. I'm just saying I would live to have it in my collection. If that's not y o u r thing then fine. It amazes me how someone can get so max and worked up only because they have a different OPINION (u should look up the meaning 3-wheelin) on something.

[bkm]

Dcreel u r correct.

What an idiot. I'm not sure what u mean about the seat 3-wheelin. Just because I say I want it doesn't mean I'm gonna pay $50k for it. I'm just saying I would live to have it in my collection. If that's not y o u r thing then fine. It amazes me how someone can get so max and worked up only because they have a different OPINION (u should look up the meaning 3-wheelin) on something.Yep you know what they say about opinions. BTW I think you "Disliked" the wrong post.

[kzr800]

He backed out b/c he realized what a stupid mistake he was making. He probably then went and invested in something that would actually appreciate more than a 3 wheeler. Don't get me wrong, 3 wheelers are great and I own a few of them: 2 Yamahas and 1 250R. But they are just atvs.

A piece of history? I would say it is a piece of history if it were actually rare and older than it is, but it isn't that rare. Who cares if the only people that touched it were some Japanese guys who didn't wash their hands after wiping their butts. The 250r's are a dime a dozen. There are more of those around, in all different conditions, than any other 3 wheeler! I have one in my garage as do many people on this forum. I also can type in 250r on ebay on any day at any time and find a nice one. Don't believe me? Go try it right now. Now if there were one or two made then we are talking rare! But 10's of thousands or maybe even 100's of thousands per year made? For every 1 tecate or 1 tri Z I see 10 250r's.

26 + -yr or two is not relatively that long in terms of "history". Just b/c you are stuck in the 80's doesn't qualify an item as rare or a piece of history. This really is more of a hobby then an archaeological find to study what people were like back in the 80's. You don't have to spend 50k. Just go look on youtube. Technology is pretty awesome.

Now 5k - 12k may be more realistic. 50K, I can't wait to watch some poor fool get screwed b/c he thinks kiss is going to pop out the gas tank high on the fumes and he can rock along. Must be fun to live in that kind of dream world.

Tattool, got some extra cash? I want to buy a new seat for my 250R on ebay. I heard Elvis sat on it and farted.


Well, you are entitled to your opinion. However, if you have nothing constructive to say, why start the drama? 50K to one man is like 5K to another man.....Sorry, but that is reality. It may not be in your cards, or mine for that fact. However, if you have the cash and want it....buy it. If not take a hike. As for rare....It is the only known NOS never built in the crate 250R. In my book that makes it rare. The 250R's I have and you have may be a dime a dozen, but show me another NOS one.....Right, you can't. :naughty: Again, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay. 50K, 12K, 150K it doesn't matter, the market and the pockest of others will determine that. Have you looked at the price of old cars........

Good Luck with the sale! I hope you and the buyer are happy in the end. Buy that lotto ticket, you just never know. ;)

Karl (KZR800)

[TatTooL23]

yup u r right i accidentally hit the dislike when using my iPhone. that is the second time i have done that. i think the like/dislike thing is stupid anyway, what is this 3wheelerbook ??

[oldskool83]

no need for all the basting, promote a raffel $20 a ticket and whore it out, winner gets the box of goodies.

[TatTooL23]

buster, so the one that got up to $50K was urs but the buyer backed out? now u r thinking of trying to sell again? do i have that right?

[TatTooL23]

I believe between '85 and '86 R's there were right around 40,000 total produced. Going from that page with the production numbers that is. The one that's floating around on the boards here.

[atc007]

buster, so the one that got up to $50K was urs but the buyer backed out? now u r thinking of trying to sell again? do i have that right?

Yes,,there is only one,,,as far as we know.....:naughty::naughty::naughty::naughty:

[Mosh]

I believe between '85 and '86 R's there were right around 40,000 total produced. Going from that page with the production numbers that is. The one that's floating around on the boards here.
Thanks for the correction.
13k 86'rs made. So that would make the 86 Crate one even more rare, as I would guess 1/2 of the 86's have been pillaged as well.

[Mosh]

In effort to keep a good thread clean..
The riff raff has been moved.
Good luck with the sale Buster.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?135556-Example-of-how-NOT-to-post-on-this-forum.

[Buster Brown]

buster, so the one that got up to $50K was urs but the buyer backed out? now u r thinking of trying to sell again? do i have that right?

This is the very same crated R Tattoo. Here's a link to an old thread from the first auction.
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?119547-Here-it-is-250R-in-the-crate!!!-let-see-if-anyone-has-the-money-to-back-up-the-talk.

[honda200x1987]

When will we see it hit eBay again?

[whipit]

With the enconomy the way it is I wish you the best of luck. Especially for that little girl. I don't really see what the big stink is over this. It's not like it is an origional shelby or something. It's a 25 yr old sand eating mud slanging 3 wheeler.

Pray for someone wanting to relive their childhood that has holes in their pockets. If you do well I'm sure glad my parents kept an origional boxed nintendo from 1985.

Wont be bidding, but I can't wait to see everyone else spend that cash!

I personally would not give a rats rear end about an "original shelby" or any other cars. my grandmother loved cars, great for getting groceries and such..this three wheeler is much cooler than any car.

[Zangief]

I remember when this was on ebay, Went up to 44K if I remember correctly. Badass. I think the plexiglass thing would be cool as hell in the living room

[Headsup]

Wholy trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro Balls!!!!!

I wish man, Where the hell did u find a Brand Spanking new Trike!!!! Thats Awesome i wanna see it Put together... Thats so sweet man Im glad some1 bumbped this thread so i can see it..

[Jon Boy]

anyone in their right mind would never put this together. :crazy:

[Buster Brown]

When will we see it hit eBay again?

Probably a couple weeks yet. My automotive project is still in the way. Thank god for the old '85 Honda XL350. Getting a bit chilly to ride at night though...




Thats Awesome i wanna see it Put together

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but really I could never assemble it. It would be really fun to do though. Most of us have all seen Mike's at Vintage. What fun it must be to assemble a NOS trike to 100% perfection.....